But you aren't?
- honesthockey

2 in a row! Way to go.

kessel working out?
- Dozzer

Those teams Mac & Grabo went to just rocked this year

I would have like to see Grabo for another year ( playing 2nd line )

But MacArthur sucks
- Garnie

All three are on non playoff teams, but can you imagine the difference if we brought in a better coach and got everybody on our team to improve like that?

See ya after lunch.
- 1979AD

Can't, talk to you guys tomorrow.

Sustainability implies over years, not a couple of dozen games....
- lumlums

The long leash was given during the Wilson era. Wins and loses?

Pretty simple Lums, good teams win puck battles. Skating fast doesn't win.

- Dozzer

This is some strong emo stuff.

2 in a row! Way to go.
- 1979AD

Ok man I can see you just wanna disagree. That's cool.

C'mon dude ....the stats (traditional or advanced) might show that the Leafs are a better team with Gardiner on the ice (relative to the rest of the D) but you need to factor in that they're extra-bad when he's on the bench. Clearly he's (frank)ing poop up from the bench and causing the Leafs to lose.
- The Law

this isnt true at all.

towards the end of the season gardiner got more and more ice time

its not a coincidence that the forwards production lessened at the exact same time

the more ice time gardiner got the worst the leafs as a team played

its just the truth.

This is some strong emo stuff.
- Scabeh

i can use google!!

this isnt true at all.

towards the end of the season gardiner got more and more ice time

its not a coincidence that the forwards production lessened at the exact same time

the more ice time gardiner got the worst the leafs as a team played

its just the truth.
- Dozzer

thats not gardiners fault the rest of the team was playing like poop.

he was the one and only spark.

All three are on non playoff teams, but can you imagine the difference if we brought in a better coach and got everybody on our team to improve like that?
- lumlums

Keep flopping the coaches

Still soft up front and on d

You will flop coaches for 5 years with the same result

I dont like RC either but I don't put the blame on him - too easy on the mega millionaires - (frank) they've been playing the game since they were 3 - (frank) find a way to win even if your coach is a putz.

Ok man I can see you just wanna disagree. That's cool.
- honesthockey

with you its easy, you are always wrong.

this isnt true at all.

towards the end of the season gardiner got more and more ice time

its not a coincidence that the forwards production lessened at the exact same time

the more ice time gardiner got the worst the leafs as a team played

its just the truth.
- Dozzer

It is Dozzer. And the I statistics gathered today don't show why. I'd love to see the stat showing puck possession by an individual and how it relates to winning.

with you its easy, you are always wrong.
- big_dion

with you its easy, you are always wrong.
- big_dion

Honestly can you ever add anything remotely of value?

Those teams Mac & Grabo went to just rocked this year

I would have like to see Grabo for another year ( playing 2nd line )

But MacArthur sucks
- Garnie

its just an example to show how players currently on the team and ones that went to other teams fared. its the same for everyone .. declined with Carlyle.

not a this guy sucks that guy doesnt.
But having Mac on the 2nd line all season instead of Clarkson would have been a huge improvement

Ok man I can see you just wanna disagree. That's cool.
- honesthockey

If that's what you want to call discrediting the flawed statistics you produce in support of your personal bias.

this isnt true at all.

towards the end of the season gardiner got more and more ice time

its not a coincidence that the forwards production lessened at the exact same time

the more ice time gardiner got the worst the leafs as a team played

its just the truth.
- Dozzer

Correlation does not imply causation. And to state "it's just the truth" is disingenuous

If that's what you want to call discrediting the flawed statistics you produce in support of your personal bias.
- 1979AD

Where did you discredit anything?

thats not gardiners fault the rest of the team was playing like poop.

he was the one and only spark.
- big_dion

actually yes it is.. he is a gifted puck carrier but he's dumb as a stump.. holds onto the puck WAY too long, and doesnt make decisions fast enough

what that does is freezes the forwards at the blue line.. gardiner is terrible at sending his forwards in on a free flowing rush.. he's too busy trying to be the hero himself.

he breaks up the transition .. great skills.. smart like brick

Honestly can you ever add anything remotely of value?
- honesthockey

i just did

you dont agree?

The long leash was given during the Wilson era. Wins and loses?

Pretty simple Lums, good teams win puck battles. Skating fast doesn't win.
- honesthockey

Nope, but better to have a guy skating fast and losing the batles than every other (frank)er who skate like they're in mud and still lose puck battles...

i just did

you dont agree?
- big_dion

What did you add? That Gardiner played well but we lost. It's everyone else except him

actually yes it is.. he is a gifted puck carrier but he's dumb as a stump.. holds onto the puck WAY too long, and doesnt make decisions fast enough

what that does is freezes the forwards at the blue line.. gardiner is terrible at sending his forwards in on a free flowing rush.. he's too busy trying to be the hero himself.

he breaks up the transition .. great skills.. smart like brick
- Dozzer

He has to hold onto the puck longer because the minute one of our D gets the puck in the zone, every forward turns and skates off as fast as they can leaving a 100 ft gap between themselves and buddy with the puck. Gardiner's just one of the few who can actually carry the puck long enough to get it out of the zone.

Correlation does not imply causation. And to state "it's just the truth" is disingenuous
- bwield

i have broken it down 1000 bloody times on this site.

getting damn tired of doing it

its just like the franson love a couple years ago.. i said he sucked and everyone hated me for it

he sucks.. leaf fans are slow sometimes.. they see offensive skill and see point production and they get all mystified. sorta of like babies with shiny objects