It will always be Burma to me.
- canadianpenfan

always Burma to me as well and I'm a geographical whizz.

Burma... you most likely know it as Myanmar
- Tiogadog

But what does Team Trinidad/Tobego think of the series?

Hiller not playing for the Ducks in these play-offs says something to me. They don't trust him. I'm wondering how much this will hurt his salary in the offseason as far as a contract. There probably will be many suitors since starting goalies are needed several places (Winnipeg, Islanders, maybe Vancouver, Carolina, maybe Calgary, Buffalo and maybe Pittsburgh).

I would go in on Halak, if we could.
- Oneonta Penguin

whoever said schneider. that would be my slightly unrealistic dream pick. and to think he only went for a first.

all of this for sure. its like interceptions in football. romo is actually one of the better ones at avoiding them overall. but when he throws them. my god. 30/38 for the first 4 quarters. first pass of OT. done.
- stayinthefnnet

Good comparison

Let's revel in others misery for a change...

How about Boudreau healthy scratching the Finnish Flash last night? Guarantee that isn't sitting well in the room.

But what does Team Trinidad/Tobego think of the series?


- jmatchett383

YIKES!!!

Those jerseys are gonna give people nightmares

Let's revel in others misery for a change...

How about Boudreau healthy scratching the Finnish Flash last night? Guarantee that isn't sitting well in the room.
- canadianpenfan

Atleast he had the guts to do something, Bylsma is totally gutless.

Let's revel in others misery for a change...

How about Boudreau healthy scratching the Finnish Flash last night? Guarantee that isn't sitting well in the room.
- canadianpenfan

And they still lost. Dallas is playing pretty well.

So after several bouts of near-explosive anger last night and this morning I think i'm ready to step back from the ledge.

First, given the lack of depth on the 3rd and 4th lines, I did not realistically expect the Penguins to be able to compete with likes of the NHL elite deep in the Playoffs. However, I did expect them to be able to take care of Columbus. What is so frustrating is the complete lack of effort year and year by the Penguins core in games that really matter. How can so many skilled players all lack a desire to raise their game when it counts? Columbus isn't a better team; they are just WORKING HARD every shift. How on earth can this Penguins team not do this?

Second. Fleury, Fleury, Fleury...I know it wasn't all his fault last night & he got no support from the team in front of him for the 2nd and the first 10min of the 3rd period. But, with the game on the line, he makes just a brutal bonehead play with 20s left. I don't know if its a lack of concentration, a lack of confidence, or a gypsy curse put on him, but he has got to stop it. The UFA goalies out there this offseason are limited, but I pray to God the Penguins find a way to pick up one of the following 3 G's: Halak (Was), Elliot (STL), and Hiller (ANA). At this point, Fleury just can't be trusted when the game is on the line in the Playoffs.

Third, games like last night make me miss Therrien. He would have ripped the entire team, the Cpatain on down, for the way they played. Bylsma needs to do something, ANYTHING, to get this team to respond. If that is yelling behind closed doors, so be it. if it is claling out Sid & Geno in the press, so be it. I just want to see some response because next year, when the Penguins are able to add some depth via UFA with the new Cap money, I expect this team to compete for the Cup. Right now, in this series, the issue isn't a lack of depth against a better team. Its Columbus working hard andhe Penguins failing to respond.

So after several bouts of near-explosive anger last night and this morning I think i'm ready to step back from the ledge.
- s0rcerer1984

you guys better "rest up" for game 5

But what does Team Trinidad/Tobego think of the series?


- jmatchett383

Not sure , but can they play defense and goal?

So after several bouts of near-explosive anger last night and this morning I think i'm ready to step back from the ledge.

First, given the lack of depth on the 3rd and 4th lines, I did not realistically expect the Penguins to be able to compete with likes of the NHL elite deep in the Playoffs. However, I did expect them to be able to take care of Columbus. What is so frustrating is the complete lack of effort year and year by the Penguins core in games that really matter. How can so many skilled players all lack a desire to raise their game when it counts? Columbus isn't a better team; they are just WORKING HARD every shift. How on earth can this Penguins team not do this?

Second. Fleury, Fleury, Fleury...I know it wasn't all his fault last night & he got no support from the team in front of him for the 2nd and the first 10min of the 3rd period. But, with the game on the line, he makes just a brutal bonehead play with 20s left. I don't know if its a lack of concentration, a lack of confidence, or a gypsy curse put on him, but he has got to stop it. The UFA goalies out there this offseason are limited, but I pray to God the Penguins find a way to pick up one of the following 3 G's: Halak (Was), Elliot (STL), and Hiller (ANA). At this point, Fleury just can't be trusted when the game is on the line in the Playoffs.

Third, games like last night make me miss Therrien. He would have ripped the entire team, the Cpatain on down, for the way they played. Bylsma needs to do something, ANYTHING, to get this team to respond. If that is yelling behind closed doors, so be it. if it is claling out Sid & Geno in the press, so be it. I just want to see some response because next year, when the Penguins are able to add some depth via UFA with the new Cap money, I expect this team to compete for the Cup. Right nowm, in this series, the issue isn't a lack of depth against a better team. Its Columbus working hard andhe Penguins failing to respond.
- s0rcerer1984

Not going to disagree with much of this really. You have basically summed it up well.

However, regarding points one and three, I will disagree regarding the third line. We don't have Glass and Pyatt on the third line anymore. Either Bennett or Stempniak are there with Sutter, which is a marketable improvement than what we had during the regular-season. While you might have one piece that doesn't exactly fit, its better than having two that don't.

Bylsma - when was the last time you saw the guy ever show emotion? He doesn't. That frustrates me to no end. He showed some emotion on the bench in game three during the time out. It worked. We came back and won the game. While I don't think a Tortorella or a Keenan is the right fit here because they are polar opposite to DB to the max, there needs to be someone willing to do the necessary screaming. I don't see that from DB.

So after several bouts of near-explosive anger last night and this morning I think i'm ready to step back from the ledge.

First, given the lack of depth on the 3rd and 4th lines, I did not realistically expect the Penguins to be able to compete with likes of the NHL elite deep in the Playoffs. However, I did expect them to be able to take care of Columbus. What is so frustrating is the complete lack of effort year and year by the Penguins core in games that really matter. How can so many skilled players all lack a desire to raise their game when it counts? Columbus isn't a better team; they are just WORKING HARD every shift. How on earth can this Penguins team not do this?

Second. Fleury, Fleury, Fleury...I know it wasn't all his fault last night & he got no support from the team in front of him for the 2nd and the first 10min of the 3rd period. But, with the game on the line, he makes just a brutal bonehead play with 20s left. I don't know if its a lack of concentration, a lack of confidence, or a gypsy curse put on him, but he has got to stop it. The UFA goalies out there this offseason are limited, but I pray to God the Penguins find a way to pick up one of the following 3 G's: Halak (Was), Elliot (STL), and Hiller (ANA). At this point, Fleury just can't be trusted when the game is on the line in the Playoffs.

Third, games like last night make me miss Therrien. He would have ripped the entire team, the Cpatain on down, for the way they played. Bylsma needs to do something, ANYTHING, to get this team to respond. If that is yelling behind closed doors, so be it. if it is claling out Sid & Geno in the press, so be it. I just want to see some response because next year, when the Penguins are able to add some depth via UFA with the new Cap money, I expect this team to compete for the Cup. Right now, in this series, the issue isn't a lack of depth against a better team. Its Columbus working hard andhe Penguins failing to respond.
- s0rcerer1984

Lets all be honest. MT took them to the cup in 08, and his system was still in place in 09'. Bylsma has not done much IMO other than 4th place finishes and 1 1st place in the division? maybe 2. Then a bunch of playoff failures.

Not going to disagree with much of this really. You have basically summed it up well.

However, regarding points one and three, I will disagree regarding the third line. We don't have Glass and Pyatt on the third line anymore. Either Bennett or Stempniak are there with Sutter, which is a marketable improvement than what we had during the regular-season. While you might have one piece that doesn't exactly fit, its better than having two that don't.

Bylsma - when was the last time you saw the guy ever show emotion? He doesn't. That frustrates me to no end. He showed some emotion on the bench in game three during the time out. It worked. We came back and won the game. While I don't think a Tortorella or a Keenan is the right fit here because they are polar opposite to DB to the max, there needs to be someone willing to do the necessary screaming. I don't see that from DB.
- Oneonta Penguin

I like what Roy did in CO. Gets in a fight the 1st game and sets the tone. Other than MacCinnon the Avs really did nothing other than a coaching change and they almost won the west from last yr. Roy took control of the team and put his stamp on it.

whoever said schneider. that would be my slightly unrealistic dream pick. and to think he only went for a first.
- stayinthefnnet

Khudobin? Hasn't played a ton but looked really good when he did. He looked good with Carolina defense so he might actually look good behind the Penguins defense. hah!

However, I will worry about that once the playoffs are over. We have a best of 3 games to worry about now!

Not going to disagree with much of this really. You have basically summed it up well.

However, regarding points one and three, I will disagree regarding the third line. We don't have Glass and Pyatt on the third line anymore. Either Bennett or Stempniak are there with Sutter, which is a marketable improvement than what we had during the regular-season. While you might have one piece that doesn't exactly fit, its better than having two that don't.

Bylsma - when was the last time you saw the guy ever show emotion? He doesn't. That frustrates me to no end. He showed some emotion on the bench in game three during the time out. It worked. We came back and won the game. While I don't think a Tortorella or a Keenan is the right fit here because they are polar opposite to DB to the max, there needs to be someone willing to do the necessary screaming. I don't see that from DB.
- Oneonta Penguin

yeah. the third line has been pretty decent all things considered. i like what stempniak brinks. Bennett is a revelation out there, even for simple possession plays.

but god damn is this team frustrating.

Not sure , but can they play defense and goal?
- Tiogadog

Not sure, but I know they bring a steel drum band on the road with them. That's gotta count for something.

Not going to disagree with much of this really. You have basically summed it up well.

However, regarding points one and three, I will disagree regarding the third line. We don't have Glass and Pyatt on the third line anymore. Either Bennett or Stempniak are there with Sutter, which is a marketable improvement than what we had during the regular-season. While you might have one piece that doesn't exactly fit, its better than having two that don't.

Bylsma - when was the last time you saw the guy ever show emotion? He doesn't. That frustrates me to no end. He showed some emotion on the bench in game three during the time out. It worked. We came back and won the game. While I don't think a Tortorella or a Keenan is the right fit here because they are polar opposite to DB to the max, there needs to be someone willing to do the necessary screaming. I don't see that from DB.
- Oneonta Penguin

I agree. The 3rd line hasn't been the issue. I really think Bennett-Sutter-Stempniak has been a very solid 3rd line & has done its job fairly well. That is what is driving me nuts.

I would understand & be able to deal with losing to a skilled Bruins team with superior depth on the 3rd and 4th lines. I cannot understand how this Penguins team is losing to Columbus when the 3rd line is doing its job pretty well. It is so utterly frustrating. I truly think the Penguins are a better team than the Blue Jackets, but that really doesn't matter if they don't actually put forth an actual EFFORT. Columbus didn't win last night by superiod skill; they won by WORKING HARD.

EDIT - And not saying I want Tortarella behind the bench. But if you can't get the Penguins to put forth an effort by positive motivation, how about trying some negative motivation? Challange them to be better by calling them out. I mean, just do SOMETHING.

Khudobin? Hasn't played a ton but looked really good when he did. He looked good with Carolina defense so he might actually look good behind the Penguins defense. hah!

However, I will worry about that once the playoffs are over. We have a best of 3 games to worry about now!
- kgrpitt

thats true. its just the way the losses occur that make them so unpalatable. this isnt losing a hard fought 4-3, or 3-2 matchup to boston. if that was the case, then the pitchforks shouldnt be wielded. it happens. hockey is hard to win, and you cant expect to go in and dominate. but this fashion, repeatedly, i dont know.

Khudobin? Hasn't played a ton but looked really good when he did. He looked good with Carolina defense so he might actually look good behind the Penguins defense. hah!

However, I will worry about that once the playoffs are over. We have a best of 3 games to worry about now!
- kgrpitt

thats true. its just the way the losses occur that make them so unpalatable. this isnt losing a hard fought 4-3, or 3-2 matchup to boston. if that was the case, then the pitchforks shouldnt be wielded. it happens. hockey is hard to win, and you cant expect to go in and dominate. but this fashion, repeatedly, i dont know.

I agree. The 3rd line hasn't been the issue. I really think Bennett-Sutter-Stempniak has been a very solid 3rd line & has done its job fairly well. That is what is driving me nuts.

I would understand & be able to deal with losing to a skilled Bruins team with superior depth on the 3rd and 4th lines. I cannot understand how this Penguins team is losing to Columbus when the 3rd line is doing its job pretty well. It is so utterly frustrating. I truly think the Penguins are a better team than the Blue Jackets, but that really doesn't matter if they don't actually put forth an actual EFFORT. Columbus didn't win last night by superiod skill; they won by WORKING HARD.
- s0rcerer1984

haha yeah. basically beat me to it, and managed to not double post

Not sure, but I know they bring a steel drum band on the road with them. That's gotta count for something.
- jmatchett383

Well the Pens have been beaten like a drum in the playoffs lately so there is that.

I like what Roy did in CO. Gets in a fight the 1st game and sets the tone. Other than MacCinnon the Avs really did nothing other than a coaching change and they almost won the west from last yr. Roy took control of the team and put his stamp on it.
- sammy87

In all fairness, I think a lot of Colorado's improvement has been due to internal improvement of its younger players. Duchene, McKinnion, O'Reilly, Landesgkog, & Varlamov have all gotten better since last year (or joind the team).

I like what Roy did in CO. Gets in a fight the 1st game and sets the tone. Other than MacCinnon the Avs really did nothing other than a coaching change and they almost won the west from last yr. Roy took control of the team and put his stamp on it.
- sammy87

Roy is the perfect example of what a coach putting the stamp on his team is all about. You need a hard nosed guy in place to do that. You don't need a douche like Torts, or Keenan.

In all fairness, I think a lot of Colorado's improvement has been due to internal improvement of its younger players. Duchene, McKinnion, O'Reilly, Landesgkog, & Varlamov have all gotten better since last year (or joind the team).
- s0rcerer1984

It's a combo of that and Roy. Do the Avalanche do what they are doing with that improvement and Sacco behind the bench?