2 hours to lift off. 90 holes in 3 days, but yes there will be a little drinking too.
- canadianpenfan

Wow, that is a lot of golfing! That ought to be nice! I got out for the first time few days ago....not good. Winter break was not kind to my golf game....nothing really is kind to my golf game now that I think of it.

I agree with that, he has often had problems with that play.

Here's the thing. I'm not letting Fleury off the hook. The last two goals are completely his. I don't think the Penguins were going to win the puck race for the third but it would have been safer had Fleury remained in the net. In regards to goal #4 only Ovechkin, Stamkos, Malkin and a handful of other NHL plays should score on that shot. Nick Foligno is not one of them.

Fleury has let the team down far too often in the past. But dredging up the Flyers series from 2012 isn't going to do anything today and calling it a meltdown isn't going to help.

The facts of this series are that he isn't getting much help. Don't believe me. Just look at how Crosby, Malkin and Letang have dominated....the Penguins best players this series have been Brian Gibbons and Marce Andre-Fleury. One is on the mend physically and one we better hope can bounce back on Saturday or we as fans are cheering for another team for the rest of the playoffs.
- Ben37

I think the larger issue is the Pens have trouble handling the pressure. And this is accentuated and embodied in Fleury. He is not the only who has trouble thinking when the game is on the line, but it is more obvious and costly. How to get them to take a deep breath and relax, not sure but that to me is the forest through the trees with current Penguin play come crunch time.

Wow, that is a lot of golfing! That ought to be nice! I got out for the first time few days ago....not good. Winter break was not kind to my golf game....nothing really is kind to my golf game now that I think of it.
- kgrpitt

I got out for the first time earlier in the week. 51 on the front, 39 on the back.

I'm as consistent as MAF.

These kinds of posts make you sound like a complete ass. Problem is 99% of your comments are written the same way. Something tells me people don't like spending time with you.
- canadianpenfan

That's the annoying thing... His opinion, and what he says are as solid as most people on here, but the condescension is unbearable...

That's the annoying thing... His opinion, and what he says are as solid as most people on here, but the condescension is unbearable...
- rival22

His knowledge is fine.

His delivery of it is not.

I agree with that, he has often had problems with that play.

Here's the thing. I'm not letting Fleury off the hook. The last two goals are completely his. I don't think the Penguins were going to win the puck race for the third but it would have been safer had Fleury remained in the net. In regards to goal #4 only Ovechkin, Stamkos, Malkin and a handful of other NHL plays should score on that shot. Nick Foligno is not one of them.

Fleury has let the team down far too often in the past. But dredging up the Flyers series from 2012 isn't going to do anything today and calling it a meltdown isn't going to help.

The facts of this series are that he isn't getting much help. Don't believe me. Just look at how Crosby, Malkin and Letang have dominated....the Penguins best players this series have been Brian Gibbons and Marce Andre-Fleury. One is on the mend physically and one we better hope can bounce back on Saturday or we as fans are cheering for another team for the rest of the playoffs.
- Ben37

If it was just the 2012 Flyers series, that's one thing. That series was absurd (yet wildly entertaining) hockey with no regard paid to defense and both goalies looking like AHLers.

But it's not just that. It's last year's Islanders' series. And it's the TB series the year before that. And it's the Montreal series the year before that. Every year, he lets in God-awful backbreaking goals. And every year, it's never his fault.

I got out for the first time earlier in the week. 51 on the front, 39 on the back.

I'm as consistent as MAF.
- canadianpenfan

haha Well played. There have been some funny meme on twitter today in regards to MAF. I am sure we will see some coming up on HB soon as you get on the course.

This little fella is jacked and pumped....

His knowledge is fine.

His delivery of it is not.
- canadianpenfan

If people would stop being as delusional as they are, I wouldn't go about the way I do. I get frustrated with people like him for a variety of reasons. We may not agree on anything, but he sometimes needs to see a dose of reality. My method of giving someone a dose of reality might not be ideal, but ...

If some dose of reality is shown, I give people the benefit of doubt, even if I disagree with them.

There is nothing ignorant what I posted. It's the truth. Anyone with a hockey brain knows this. 5-year old kids from Burma know it. There is zero excuse for this. The team has played maybe four good periods of hockey in 4 games. That is a problem. They are being badly outplayed by Columbus and our stars have been no shows. What exactly have I said that was ignorant?

You need a reality check. You simply seem to be one of those people that think they can flip the switch anytime they want. Well ...
- Oneonta Penguin

i agree with the vast majority of things you say. but, i dont think a 5 year old from burma would know, or much less care, about any of the things we are female doging about haha

If people would stop being as delusional as they are, I wouldn't go about the way I do. I get frustrated with people like him for a variety of reasons. We may not agree on anything, but he sometimes needs to see a dose of reality. My method of giving someone a dose of reality might not be ideal, but ...
- Oneonta Penguin

You're not the judge nor the jury, you just think you are.

Fleury let in a softie at a bad bad time. THe 3rd goal though, bad bounce, every goalie would have gone behind the net. If they move on from 29, not sure what their options would be. Miller, Halak, Hiller are the top UFA goalies and I doubt they will be any cheaper than Fleury. If Fleury moves to a team that doesn't allow constant odd man rushes, hes a better goalie. 45-25 in shots, not his fault the 40g scorers cant do their job.

This little fella is jacked and pumped....


- PLindbergh31

Even he knows Fleury need to stay in the (frank)ing net.

I got out for the first time earlier in the week. 51 on the front, 39 on the back.

I'm as consistent as MAF.
- canadianpenfan

Shouldnt you get worse on the back 9 as inebriation sets in?

Shouldnt you get worse on the back 9 as inebriation sets in?
- Rawdog9755

Pot is the great equalizer. It's a science, I wouldn't expect you to understand.

plenty of hate to go around...
- drexel

Wait, who are the Atlanta thrashers ?

I really don't understand the people who don't think Fleury is a problem. It's insane to me. For all of the Penguins shortcomings this series, they were 25 seconds away from taking a 3-1 series lead heading home to Pittsburgh. Everything that happened beyond that point is nobody but Fleury's fault. Such a horrible decision to try and play that puck with such little time left on the clock. Stay in your net, who cares if CBJ wins that puck battle and gets it? Be ready to stop one or two more shots and end the damn game. Trust your team to keep the puck pinned against the walls or clear it. I think most of the people on here bashing Fleury realize he is not the sole person to blame. Crosby and Malkin have to take as much heat as Fleury for the way this series has gone so far. Frodo Baggins has been a more integral part of this series than either of them have and the Pens let him go for nothing a few years ago. But to absolve Fleury of all blame is literally insane!!

Fleury let in a softie at a bad bad time. THe 3rd goal though, bad bounce, every goalie would have gone behind the net. If they move on from 29, not sure what their options would be. Miller, Halak, Hiller are the top UFA goalies and I doubt they will be any cheaper than Fleury. If Fleury moves to a team that doesn't allow constant odd man rushes, hes a better goalie. 45-25 in shots, not his fault the 40g scorers cant do their job.
- sammy87

It takes a strong willed goalie to succeed with this type of system. This run and gun type of offense has left many good goalies look bad. Barrasso was the best at it. He had the right attitude as far as I was concerned. He didn't show any fragile tendencies. That is part of the reason he succeeded so well here.

Fleury bests him in athletic ability. He makes saves that Barrasso could only dream of. What separates the two are the soft goals Fleury lets in. Everyone will let those in every once in a while. However, its ridiculous the amount of soft goals that have occurred this time of year.

Fleury would do well in Dallas, Phoenix, St. Louis, Minnesota, Nashville - not that there are openings at any of those places. Heck, he probably would do fine in Montreal, even though that is a different beast.

Fact is, this system leaves a goalie hung out to dry too many times. His softy goals are always let in at bad times. If they went in at good times, we wouldn't female dog about them as much as we do.

Again the team showing it's flaws in the post-season. Shero doesn't make the necessary roster moves, Bylsma doesn't make the necessary adjustments, no heart and soul, and fleury is fleury. The team will not get passed the 2nd round, especially with how the rangers have been playing. If they meet the flyers then it will be this series x's 100.

I'm really thinking pens trade for Hiller's rights before the deadline and then trade fleury for 7 rolls of tape

Shouldnt you get worse on the back 9 as inebriation sets in?
- Rawdog9755

I get better the more I drink, obviously not if I get trashed but usually my first 4 or 5 holes are my worst. It loosens me up, I am too damn tense and thinking too much before a few drinks kick in.

i agree with the vast majority of things you say. but, i dont think a 5 year old from burma would know, or much less care, about any of the things we are female doging about haha
- stayinthefnnet

Burma... you most likely know it as Myanmar

It takes a strong willed goalie to succeed with this type of system. This run and gun type of offense has left many good goalies look bad. Barrasso was the best at it. He had the right attitude as far as I was concerned. He didn't show any fragile tendencies. That is part of the reason he succeeded so well here.

Fleury bests him in athletic ability. He makes saves that Barrasso could only dream of. What separates the two are the soft goals Fleury lets in. Everyone will let those in every once in a while. However, its ridiculous the amount of soft goals that have occurred this time of year.

Fleury would do well in Dallas, Phoenix, St. Louis, Minnesota, Nashville - not that there are openings at any of those places. Heck, he probably would do fine in Montreal, even though that is a different beast.

Fact is, this system leaves a goalie hung out to dry too many times. His softy goals are always let in at bad times. If they went in at good times, we wouldn't female dog about them as much as we do.
- Oneonta Penguin

all of this for sure. its like interceptions in football. romo is actually one of the better ones at avoiding them overall. but when he throws them. my god. 30/38 for the first 4 quarters. first pass of OT. done.

Burma... you most likely know it as Myanmar
- Tiogadog

It will always be Burma to me.

Again the team showing it's flaws in the post-season. Shero doesn't make the necessary roster moves, Bylsma doesn't make the necessary adjustments, no heart and soul, and fleury is fleury. The team will not get passed the 2nd round, especially with how the rangers have been playing. If they meet the flyers then it will be this series x's 100.

I'm really thinking pens trade for Hiller's rights before the deadline and then trade fleury for 7 rolls of tape
- drummer829

Hiller not playing for the Ducks in these play-offs says something to me. They don't trust him. I'm wondering how much this will hurt his salary in the offseason as far as a contract. There probably will be many suitors since starting goalies are needed several places (Winnipeg, Islanders, maybe Vancouver, Carolina, maybe Calgary, Buffalo and maybe Pittsburgh).

I would go in on Halak, if we could.

Burma... you most likely know it as Myanmar
- Tiogadog

regardless of the nomenclature. i doubt they are cognizant or in any way concerned whatsoever