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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 24 @ 10:12 AM ET
DV will get canned. To me, these guys are playing like a team that wants their coach canned. Nothing different than the guy for the Indiana Pacers, who is fighting to keep his job after leading Indiana to a great regular-season. DB is also flawed. To me, he shows a lack of emotion.

If someone offered me a great package, I'd be tempted to entertain the notion to deal Malkin. Simply, this roster isn't working. Break some of it up and spread the wealth around. I'd gladly take St. Louis' roster right now - one without an offensive star like Crosby or Malkin - over Pittsburgh's roster.

- Oneonta Penguin


I recommended trading Malkin this past offseason and was universally blasted on here for my insane notion. Just sayin'.
icedog97
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.20.2005

Apr 24 @ 10:13 AM ET


Marc-Andre Fleury needs a shock collar that's triggered any time he goes behind the goal line.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 24 @ 10:14 AM ET
For the record...this is from last night

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I disagree...I think.
icedog97
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.20.2005

Apr 24 @ 10:16 AM ET
I disagree...I think.
- jmatchett383


should have pointed to a fb post that said:

Marc-Andre Fleury needs a shock collar that's triggered any time he goes behind the goal line.
skridscousin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: THE BURGH, PA
Joined: 10.19.2012

Apr 24 @ 10:17 AM ET
Maybe someone can explain to me why Bylsma had his two worst defensemen on the ice for the last shift of regulation?
- skridscousin


Guess not... at least so far... c'mon, somebody help me out here...
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

Apr 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
You haven't watched much of the series based on your post. If you did, you would see we have been badly outplayed in three of the four games. There isn't any evidence that leads me to believe the switch will be turned on.
- Oneonta Penguin

Every time you talk it's just pure ignorance. It's clear you're just happy to be miserable.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Apr 24 @ 10:20 AM ET
I recommended trading Malkin this past offseason and was universally blasted on here for my insane notion. Just sayin'.
- jmatchett383


Superstars are people that no one wants to deal. The fact is this ... this roster as far as the regular-season, it works. In the play-offs, it struggles. We are up against the cap and have many flaws on the roster. Depending on the offer, trading Malkin could make up for many shortcomings. However, you better get 1.50 on the dollar in that deal. I'm certainly not opposed to it. I have brought it up for several months and have been blasted. I'm not talking a deal bringing prospects and picks back, like that fool from Calgary suggested ...

The roster needs to be retooled. 5 on 5, this team is brutally bad for the skill. Whether that is our roster or the system, that is up for debate. There is simply no excuse why this team struggles against lesser teams in the play-offs.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Apr 24 @ 10:22 AM ET
Every time you talk it's just pure ignorance. It's clear you're just happy to be miserable.
- dbell646



There is nothing ignorant what I posted. It's the truth. Anyone with a hockey brain knows this. 5-year old kids from Burma know it. There is zero excuse for this. The team has played maybe four good periods of hockey in 4 games. That is a problem. They are being badly outplayed by Columbus and our stars have been no shows. What exactly have I said that was ignorant?

You need a reality check. You simply seem to be one of those people that think they can flip the switch anytime they want. Well ...
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Apr 24 @ 10:22 AM ET
Guess not... at least so far... c'mon, somebody help me out here...
- skridscousin


Yeah, I got nothing there, but the changes might have just worked out that way.

Orpik and Martin played the minute before that change, so they were out. They could have put Maatta and Niskanen out there. I don't think there was a whistle in the last few minutes for a time out.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 24 @ 10:22 AM ET
Every time you talk it's just pure ignorance.
- dbell646


It's 2-2 with home ice. But the Penguins have been outplayed for the most part in all 4 games. For all of their skill/experience, they seem to have no answer for Columbus' forecheck. They're getting pounded physically and are having a hard time moving the puck aside from isolated pockets of time. All mental gaffes outside, they're getting purely outplayed and outhustled, and it has nothing to do with an "inferior" team. Columbus was going to be a tough out, and anyone who thought otherwise didn't watch them much.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:23 AM ET
I think Bortuzzo could do a lot for this team if put in the lineup. Not only is he prob better than Scuds at this point, but he pisses people off. Its a cake walk on the ice for Columbus. I think the entire roster would like to see Bortuzzo just have a talk with Dubinsky and he is usually good for a couple big hits. He would be a moral boost.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

Apr 24 @ 10:24 AM ET
It's 2-2 with home ice. But the Penguins have been outplayed for the most part in all 4 games. For all of their skill/experience, they seem to have no answer for Columbus' forecheck. They're getting pounded physically and are having a hard time moving the puck aside from isolated pockets of time. All mental gaffes outside, they're getting purely outplayed and outhustled, and it has nothing to do with an "inferior" team. Columbus was going to be a tough out, and anyone who thought otherwise didn't watch them much.
- jmatchett383


Don't mind him ... he clearly has a totally different head when it comes to hockey.
ScienceJesus
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.03.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:24 AM ET
I didn't single him out. I said the entire team needs to get reamed out. What I'm saying is that MAF, time and again, despite playing generally well, lets up crippling ill-timed backbreaking goals that break his teammates' wills. Tell me I'm wrong.
- jmatchett383


But again, when he's asked to do it all himself, those crippling goals are hardly his fault. When he gets hung out to dry for all but a few minutes of a game, is it a shock at all for any goalie to let in a clunker? The reason it happens to Fleury more than most other goalies is because he spends a larger portion of each night getting hung out to dry. But if you counted the minutes each night he's hung out to dry compared to another goalie on a high-end team, he's probably getting no assistance for close to double the minutes. So when he lets in double the clunkers, it puts him right on par with the same goalies.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:24 AM ET
It's 2-2 with home ice. But the Penguins have been outplayed for the most part in all 4 games. For all of their skill/experience, they seem to have no answer for Columbus' forecheck. They're getting pounded physically and are having a hard time moving the puck aside from isolated pockets of time. All mental gaffes outside, they're getting purely outplayed and outhustled, and it has nothing to do with an "inferior" team. Columbus was going to be a tough out, and anyone who thought otherwise didn't watch them much.
- jmatchett383

Yeah people need to stop saying inferior, cause there are parts of the game where the jackets are much superior to the pens, and those parts physically hurt.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 24 @ 10:27 AM ET
I think Bortuzzo could do a lot for this team if put in the lineup. Not only is he prob better than Scuds at this point, but he pisses people off. Its a cake walk on the ice for Columbus. I think the entire roster would like to see Bortuzzo just have a talk with Dubinsky and he is usually good for a couple big hits. He would be a moral boost.
- Grinder47


If it's come to putting Bortuzzo in the lineup, the Pens are in even more trouble that I thought.

A bottom-pair stay-at-home defender should not be the needed to spark a team. And no one skater will intimidate a team or stop a team from playing a certain way. That's the flawed thinking that Buffalo used when the became a "tough" team because they got Jon Scott. The team needs to be tough as a whole, and everyone from the #1C to the #6D needs to hit (not bone-crushing, but make contact) and outhustle Columbus. If they do that, their skill should be enough to win more often than not.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 24 @ 10:27 AM ET
You haven't watched much of the series based on your post. If you did, you would see we have been badly outplayed in three of the four games. There isn't any evidence that leads me to believe the switch will be turned on.
- Oneonta Penguin

Oh wow this isn't obnoxious at all.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 24 @ 10:29 AM ET
But again, when he's asked to do it all himself, those crippling goals are hardly his fault. When he gets hung out to dry for all but a few minutes of a game, is it a shock at all for any goalie to let in a clunker? The reason it happens to Fleury more than most other goalies is because he spends a larger portion of each night getting hung out to dry. But if you counted the minutes each night he's hung out to dry compared to another goalie on a high-end team, he's probably getting no assistance for close to double the minutes. So when he lets in double the clunkers, it puts him right on par with the same goalies.
- ScienceJesus


So again, never his fault.

Not his fault in 2010.
Not his fault in 2011.
Not his fault in 2012.
Not his fault in 2013 (somehow, despite the fact he lost his starting job).
Not his fault in 2014.

Got it. Maybe you guys need to knock his pedestal down a bit.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:30 AM ET
If it's come to putting Bortuzzo in the lineup, the Pens are in even more trouble that I thought.

A bottom-pair stay-at-home defender should not be the needed to spark a team. And no one skater will intimidate a team or stop a team from playing a certain way. That's the flawed thinking that Buffalo used when the became a "tough" team because they got Jon Scott. The team needs to be tough as a whole, and everyone from the #1C to the #6D needs to hit (not bone-crushing, but make contact) and outhustle Columbus. If they do that, their skill should be enough to win more often than not.

- jmatchett383

Well firstly I think Bortuzzo offers more in the way of actual hockey ability than Scuds. The rest of his game would just be a blessing, but I do agree the team as a whole needs to be harder to play against.
skridscousin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: THE BURGH, PA
Joined: 10.19.2012

Apr 24 @ 10:32 AM ET
If it's come to putting Bortuzzo in the lineup, the Pens are in even more trouble that I thought.

A bottom-pair stay-at-home defender should not be the needed to spark a team. And no one skater will intimidate a team or stop a team from playing a certain way. That's the flawed thinking that Buffalo used when the became a "tough" team because they got Jon Scott. The team needs to be tough as a whole, and everyone from the #1C to the #6D needs to hit (not bone-crushing, but make contact) and outhustle Columbus. If they do that, their skill should be enough to win more often than not.

- jmatchett383


Maybe in most cases, no. But the Pens needed something a couple games ago against the hard-hitting Jackets. Were it me, I'd have replaced Letang/Scuderi with either Bortuzzo/Engelland or Bortuzzo/Despres. If for nothing more than a spark, because the 'talent' just hasn't been there with Letang/Scuderi. I've always been a huge Letang fan, and Scuderi too, but they have been liabilities at best in this particular series. Difficult for me to say.
BillKessel
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Brooklyn, MI
Joined: 05.16.2013

Apr 24 @ 10:34 AM ET
So again, never his fault.

Not his fault in 2010.
Not his fault in 2011.
Not his fault in 2012.
Not his fault in 2013 (somehow, despite the fact he lost his starting job).
Not his fault in 2014.

Got it. Maybe you guys need to knock his pedestal down a bit.

- jmatchett383


Im not in that camp, I didnt want to see Flower in a Pens uniform after last playoff, and I feel the same now. Personally feel bad for the guy, but hes doing to himself, at this point, hes as much a head case as Bryz.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Apr 24 @ 10:34 AM ET
There is nothing ignorant what I posted. It's the truth. Anyone with a hockey brain knows this. 5-year old kids from Burma know it. There is zero excuse for this. The team has played maybe four good periods of hockey in 4 games. That is a problem. They are being badly outplayed by Columbus and our stars have been no shows. What exactly have I said that was ignorant?

You need a reality check. You simply seem to be one of those people that think they can flip the switch anytime they want. Well ...

- Oneonta Penguin



These kinds of posts make you sound like a complete ass. Problem is 99% of your comments are written the same way. Something tells me people don't like spending time with you.
Ben37
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: One of the Most Respected Hockeybuzz Posters, AB
Joined: 04.07.2010

Apr 24 @ 10:34 AM ET


Marc-Andre Fleury needs a shock collar that's triggered any time he goes behind the goal line.

- icedog97


I agree with that, he has often had problems with that play.

Here's the thing. I'm not letting Fleury off the hook. The last two goals are completely his. I don't think the Penguins were going to win the puck race for the third but it would have been safer had Fleury remained in the net. In regards to goal #4 only Ovechkin, Stamkos, Malkin and a handful of other NHL plays should score on that shot. Nick Foligno is not one of them.

Fleury has let the team down far too often in the past. But dredging up the Flyers series from 2012 isn't going to do anything today and calling it a meltdown isn't going to help.

The facts of this series are that he isn't getting much help. Don't believe me. Just look at how Crosby, Malkin and Letang have dominated....the Penguins best players this series have been Brian Gibbons and Marce Andre-Fleury. One is on the mend physically and one we better hope can bounce back on Saturday or we as fans are cheering for another team for the rest of the playoffs.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

Apr 24 @ 10:34 AM ET
kgrpitt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 09.08.2010

Apr 24 @ 10:38 AM ET
These kinds of posts make you sound like a complete ass. Problem is 99% of your comments are written the same way. Something tells me people don't like spending time with you.
- canadianpenfan

It amazes me how people can continuously talk down to others all the time and try to belittle others.

Anyways, go drink on a golf course because we all know golfing isn't going to actually happen. ha
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Apr 24 @ 10:39 AM ET
It amazes me how people can continuously talk down to others all the time and try to belittle others.

Anyways, go drink on a golf course because we all know golfing isn't going to actually happen. ha

- kgrpitt



2 hours to lift off. 90 holes in 3 days, but yes there will be a little drinking too.
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