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Aaron Musick
Colorado Avalanche
Location: NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C OR, CO
Joined: 12.17.2007

Apr 23 @ 1:14 PM ET
sorry I think you have some wishful thinking going on here.

he'd take the 6.5 .. and it would be stupid of the avs not to go long term.. because then.. he goes to RFA status again.... and the qualifying offer is that much more.

a QO is not necessarily 1 year. thats arbitration.. different things.

- Dozzer


There's also the selling point of he'll get to play with Duchene for that time. Given how his production has dropped without Duchene, that would probably be extremely enticing.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Apr 23 @ 1:15 PM ET
The agents job is to make sure the kid is happy.. If that means he wants to stay, it is the agents job to get him the best deal in Colorado.
- bixll


that would be 6.5 million

they have to qualify him for that. if they dont.. he becomes a FA able to sign anywhere he wants
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Apr 23 @ 1:16 PM ET
which player on the wings are you talking about?

honest question.

- Dozzer


Franzen with 41 points this year, is a big drop. He has a big contract
Aaron Musick
Colorado Avalanche
Location: NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C OR, CO
Joined: 12.17.2007

Apr 23 @ 1:16 PM ET
Sakic wont get to talk to him.. sakic will be talking to his agent.

that agent will ensure he maximizes the deal.. its his job.

- Dozzer


Sakic schedules meetings with the player and agent in the same room. Its what he did with Duchene and Landeskog
mventres
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 06.09.2008

Apr 23 @ 1:16 PM ET
It's possible if he wants to stay with the team...depends what Sakic says to him.
- Aaron_85


Gardiner stays. He's good insurance if something happens to Reilly and will be a good #3 D. Plus, you won't get sufficient value if he's dealt now.

As for O'Reilly. He's staying in COL, waste of time to think otherwise. Stastny is a potential though, but if not COL, then teams like TB, NYR (if they buy out RIchards), MON (would be a GREAT fit) all make more sense, even FLA if he's after a big $$ deal.



bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Apr 23 @ 1:17 PM ET
that would be 6.5 million

they have to qualify him for that. if they dont.. he becomes a FA able to sign anywhere he wants

- Dozzer



Holy crap. If Our fearful leader is worth 7 mill, then Ryan is worth ....
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Apr 23 @ 1:17 PM ET
There's also the selling point of he'll get to play with Duchene for that time. Given how his production has dropped without Duchene, that would probably be extremely enticing.
- martok2309


well i'll let you keep your dream for now... but the NHL just doesnt work that way anymore.

this kid will sign for 6.5 million per. if the avs dont give it to him, someone else will.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Apr 23 @ 1:17 PM ET
Here's food for thought, does anyone think this may set a bad precedent for the team as a whole for the young guys?

What if Sakic moves him out for not thinking of the team first and taking a slight discount to stay and help them win?
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Apr 23 @ 1:18 PM ET
Sakic schedules meetings with the player and agent in the same room. Its what he did with Duchene and Landeskog
- martok2309


we are talking about a guy who has held out before.

factor that into your theory.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Apr 23 @ 1:18 PM ET
Franzen with 41 points this year, is a big drop. He has a big contract
- bixll


i mean which guy did holland get signed on the cheap?
BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

Apr 23 @ 1:18 PM ET
Gardiner+? Anyone said it yet? If not, shame on all of you.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Apr 23 @ 1:19 PM ET
Holy crap. If Our fearful leader is worth 7 mill, then Ryan is worth ....
- bixll


fact is.. we know he isnt afraid to hold out.. this kid is about his payday
Aaron Musick
Colorado Avalanche
Location: NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C OR, CO
Joined: 12.17.2007

Apr 23 @ 1:19 PM ET
well i'll let you keep your dream for now... but the NHL just doesnt work that way anymore.

this kid will sign for 6.5 million per. if the avs dont give it to him, someone else will.

- Dozzer


He well could but he doesn't have to if they can work out a deal before July 1.
Aaron Musick
Colorado Avalanche
Location: NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C OR, CO
Joined: 12.17.2007

Apr 23 @ 1:20 PM ET
i mean which guy did holland get signed on the cheap?
- Dozzer


Didn't work out so well but he got Hossa on a cheaper one year deal.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Apr 23 @ 1:20 PM ET
fact is.. we know he isnt afraid to hold out.. this kid is about his payday
- Dozzer

Why is it so bad for a player to want to maximize earnings?
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Apr 23 @ 1:22 PM ET
fact is.. we know he isnt afraid to hold out.. this kid is about his payday
- Dozzer



Maybe not after the year they had this year. I know Stastny said he wants to stay.
Colin Dambrauskas
Joined: 09.24.2013

Apr 23 @ 1:22 PM ET
Um Landeskog is already signed, as are Varlamov, Duchene and Mitchell (just listing everyone signed) and the Avs have plenty of Cap space for Radar, Stastny and Barrie. Elliott isn't even a full time nhler so he won't break the bank.

Not saying it is impossible but rather unlikely the Avs move O'Reilly.

- martok2309


Edit:

Colorado has several contracts which they will need to address over the summer months, and given that Paul Stastny, Jamie McGinn, Tyson Barrie, and Stefan Elliott make that list, add to the fact that Stastny has been doing very well with Landeskog this year, they may have some reservations about offering top dollar to O’Reilly in order to sign him long-term.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Apr 23 @ 1:22 PM ET
He will resign bw 5.5-6m on a long term deal...the whole 6.5m qualifying offer wont really play into this as a factor, its 6.5m if we did a 1 or 2 year deal to retain his rights. Signs long term before we have to qualify it doesnt matter as long as we play by the following rules.

Salary cant differ more than 50% from the 1st and last year of the contract and can not differ more than 30% year to year. 6.5m salary next seaon, and we can play with that number on 5-7 years depending on the contract length. Very managable contract now that he is worth around the 6m range
Mr_Smokey
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.02.2008

Apr 23 @ 1:23 PM ET
Why is it so bad for a player to want to maximize earnings?
- Atomic Wedgie


Because some people don't 'get' capitalism? That's my guess.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Apr 23 @ 1:23 PM ET
fact is.. we know he isnt afraid to hold out.. this kid is about his payday
- Dozzer


are you sure about that? IT was his dad who was causing the mess...Roy, Sakic and ROR's camp have all met regarding this. One of the first things Roy looked into coming into the Organization, and both parties agreed to pick up contract talks after the season.
CanadianBodmon
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.04.2011

Apr 23 @ 1:24 PM ET
#BringWilsonBack #RunAndGun
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Apr 23 @ 1:25 PM ET
Why is it so bad for a player to want to maximize earnings?
- Atomic Wedgie



Nothing, provided the players, plays to the level of the contract he signs. poop happens, when they don't.


Aaron Musick
Colorado Avalanche
Location: NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C OR, CO
Joined: 12.17.2007

Apr 23 @ 1:25 PM ET
are you sure about that? IT was his dad who was causing the mess...Roy, Sakic and ROR's camp have all met regarding this. One of the first things Roy looked into coming into the Organization, and both parties agreed to pick up contract talks after the season.
- DDM-Coga


The old Avs management/ownership didn't help any either.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Apr 23 @ 1:25 PM ET
Ryan O'Reilly isn't going anywhere. and if he did, he would cost an absolute fortune to acquire.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Apr 23 @ 1:26 PM ET
Gardiner+? Anyone said it yet? If not, shame on all of you.
- BetterCallSaul


+Reilly?
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