Bingo.

Although I think Eberle who may be a top 25 winger in the game + a 3rd overall gets you pretty close
- Morris

I think Eberle is a great young player. To be honest, I believe any team trading away one of the 10 best defensmen in the NHL (they're as rare as Pope poop) would require more than Eberle + a 3rd.

Stranger things have been known to happen though...

yes, the leafs have had huge success with this formula
- Flyfreaky

just for the record for those keeping score at home, we've made the playoffs once out of the last 2 years. That's a 50% success rate!

just for the record for those keeping score at home, we've made the playoffs once out of the last 2 years. That's a 50% success rate!
- shmenge

That's a 100% improvement rate!! Well done...

That's a 100% improvement rate!! Well done...
- elcabong

this could be the single greatest line ever written by a hockeybuzz blogger:

"5:30pm – I’ll be there and we’ll get some competitive Cornhole going."

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...om-Playoff-Notes/24/59616

(yes i'm very childish)
- RealityChecker

wow, i think i sprung a leak

hes been the gm for a year.

in that time he's added perron, fasth, scrivens, Hendricks, Gordon, ference, bryzgalov, joensuu,

moved horcoff, dubnyk, bryzgalov, hemsky, pajaarvi

he's revamped a team that's attempting to move forward from oblivion, added needed pieces and given them chance to develop.

if big move comes along, he'll make it. but im certainly glad he doesn't subscribe to your style of gm'ing;
"well i cant get much else than Coburn, so eff it, may as well give TWO pieces for him (both of which id be hesitant to do straight up) and some extra picks that we don't need"

you really have no idea what ur talking about do you?
- hugefemale dog77

The trade being discussed was the 3rd overall in a week draft plus Eberle for Coburn, the 17th overall, and a 2nd rd pick. So the oilers move down 14 picks in a weak draft, gain a 2nd pick pick, and add a legitimate #2 defenseman in his prime while only losing Eberle from the current roster. Hardly an overpayment.

The oilers, like the flyers, are built completely wrong. They built first with forwards and are hoping to develop defensemen after. Problem is that defensemen take a minimum of 4 years at the NHL level to round into form. So Nurse and Klefbom haven't really begun that apprenticeship yet. So how will that lockerroom be after another 3-4 years of losing? And that's the best case scenario. How well will those kid defensemen develop without proven veterans to take the hard minutes while they get acclimated to the NHL.

Look at the Chicago Blackhawks. Keith and Seabrook played a full two years together before Toews and Kane even arrived. The team didn't make the playoffs until their 4th year and even then it took the Blackhawks signing Brian Campbell to take some pressure of those two. Very few free agents want to go to Edmonton so they will have to find a quality veteran defenseman to take pressure of the prospects thru a trade. Or they can just keep signing Ferences of the world and really set in a losing environment. As a Flyers fan I sympathize because they won't be contenders for 4 years until their prospect defensemen come along wasting a lot of the forwards prime years. At least they have veteran defensemen to ease them into the league and free agents will sign in Philly.

just for the record for those keeping score at home, we've made the playoffs once out of the last 2 years. That's a 50% success rate!
- shmenge

wow, i think i sprung a leak
- Flyfreaky

more grease

Look at who would be considered definite 2 defensemen on the remaining playoff teams (some may be a stretch)

Fowler - ANA
Vlasic - SAN
Doughty - LA
Pietroangelo - STL
Bouwmeester - STL
Shattenkirk - STL
Keith - CHI
Seabrook - STL
Suter - MIN
Subban - MON
Chara - BOS
Kronwall - DET
Coburn - PHI
Girardi - NYR
Staal - NYR
McDonough - NYR
Letang - PIT
Johnson - CLB

Of those who could be believed to be moved?

I would say (maybe):

Vlasic - SAN
Shattenkirk - STL
Seabrook - STL
Subban - MON
Coburn - PHI
Girardi - NYR
Staal - NYR
Letang - PIT

With what is supposedly being offered (3rd overall and a top guy) I think that eliminates some of those guy as that would be a great overpayment by the Oilers.

Makes it look to me like it is either Subban or Letang (or maybe a Ranger).

I lean towards Subban. There always seems to be friction with him in Montreal and he is about the get a huge contract. Montreal also has some good young defensemen coming up in their system (Beauleiu, Tinordi, Thrower) who may be ready to step in. And at third a player like Draisaitl gives them some needed top 6 size.

more grease
- shmenge

Personally, I think Coburn is over-rated ... I don't see him as providing much more than Ference.

He is hardly "the answer". That much I am certain ...

Look at who would be considered definite 2 defensemen on the remaining playoff teams (some may be a stretch)

Fowler - ANA
Vlasic - SAN
Doughty - LA
Pietroangelo - STL
Bouwmeester - STL
Shattenkirk - STL
Keith - CHI
Seabrook - STL
Suter - MIN
Subban - MON
Chara - BOS
Kronwall - DET
Coburn - PHI
Girardi - NYR
Staal - NYR
McDonough - NYR
Letang - PIT
Johnson - CLB

Of those who could be believed to be moved?

I would say (maybe):

Vlasic - SAN
Shattenkirk - STL
Seabrook - STL
Subban - MON
Coburn - PHI
Girardi - NYR
Staal - NYR
Letang - PIT

With what is supposedly being offered (3rd overall and a top guy) I think that eliminates some of those guy as that would be a great overpayment by the Oilers.

Makes it look to me like it is either Subban or Letang (or maybe a Ranger).

I lean towards Subban. There always seems to be friction with him in Montreal and he is about the get a huge contract. Montreal also has some good young defensemen coming up in their system (Beauleiu, Tinordi, Thrower) who may be ready to step in. And at third a player like Draisaitl gives them some needed top 6 size.
- dal_johnson

if seabrook or shattenkirk get moved the flyers had better be in the mix

He said in the playoffs.. Dions fishin with Phil.
- bixll

Do you really think those two hang out?

The trade being discussed was the 3rd overall in a week draft plus Eberle for Coburn, the 17th overall, and a 2nd rd pick. So the oilers move down 14 picks in a weak draft, gain a 2nd pick pick, and add a legitimate #2 defenseman in his prime while only losing Eberle from the current roster. Hardly an overpayment.

The oilers, like the flyers, are built completely wrong. They built first with forwards and are hoping to develop defensemen after. Problem is that defensemen take a minimum of 4 years at the NHL level to round into form. So Nurse and Klefbom haven't really begun that apprenticeship yet. So how will that lockerroom be after another 3-4 years of losing? And that's the best case scenario. How well will those kid defensemen develop without proven veterans to take the hard minutes while they get acclimated to the NHL.

Look at the Chicago Blackhawks. Keith and Seabrook played a full two years together before Toews and Kane even arrived. The team didn't make the playoffs until their 4th year and even then it took the Blackhawks signing Brian Campbell to take some pressure of those two. Very few free agents want to go to Edmonton so they will have to find a quality veteran defenseman to take pressure of the prospects thru a trade. Or they can just keep signing Ferences of the world and really set in a losing environment. As a Flyers fan I sympathize because they won't be contenders for 4 years until their prospect defensemen come along wasting a lot of the forwards prime years. At least they have veteran defensemen to ease them into the league and free agents will sign in Philly.
- psuhockey

u keep Coburn.
we'll keep eberle and the 3rd

if ud like to revisit a straight up trade for one of those two (and again-im not sure im willing to do ebs straight up) we'll discuss.
otherwise; no thanks.

oh maybe it's Myers
oh wait

Personally, I think Coburn is over-rated ... I don't see him as providing much more than Ference.

He is hardly "the answer". That much I am certain ...
- Coppertone_1973

i think hes certainly in another echelon than ference.
a solid number 2. we could use him.

but not at the cost of ebs and lottery pick.

rather keep them, or add further a go after a true 1.

mact would not make that deal. regardless of the lower picks involved as we have no real use for them

Ill get eaten alive for saying this but Palat had a better season than mackinnon. He was right there in points and played a better more well rounded game as evidenced by him having more than 160 more pk minutes than mackinnon. The award is for best rookie season not best rookie season for their age so the age should not matter. Its not based on who will be better five years from now either it is the season that just finished. All this being said mackinnon will win because of the things that are not supposed to be considered for the award: his age draft status hype and future. Mackinnon had a great year no argument and will win the award but palat had a better year as an overall player and by the definition of the award he should be the winner.

MacK all the way.

Palat and Johnson had amazing years, but they are 5 years older than Mack and have professional experience already with stints in the AHL and minor ones with the Lightning.

MacK showed up straight from Junior and has been dynamite
- DDM-Coga

I told someone a few weeks ago that in three years, MacK could be the best player in the game. His season to date, and especially his start in these playoffs, shows he's well on his way.

yeah i'm 98% certain Ek is making this up. but if it were real, the players i would be looking to are Seabrook and Subban.
- DoubleDown

I would be really careful if it's Seabrook they're looking at. Recent shenanigans aside, and acknowledging they're different players, he has Wade Redden (after separation from Chara) written all over him.

I would be really careful if it's Seabrook they're looking at. Recent shenanigans aside, and acknowledging they're different players, he has Wade Redden (after separation from Chara) written all over him.
- bluenatic411

i think we're watching two different seabrooks

Look at who would be considered definite 2 defensemen on the remaining playoff teams (some may be a stretch)

Fowler - ANA
Vlasic - SAN
Doughty - LA
Pietroangelo - STL
Bouwmeester - STL
Shattenkirk - STL
Keith - CHI
Seabrook - STL
Suter - MIN
Subban - MON
Chara - BOS
Kronwall - DET
Coburn - PHI
Girardi - NYR
Staal - NYR
McDonough - NYR
Letang - PIT
Johnson - CLB

Of those who could be believed to be moved?

I would say (maybe):

Vlasic - SAN
Shattenkirk - STL
Seabrook - STL
Subban - MON
Coburn - PHI
Girardi - NYR
Staal - NYR
Letang - PIT

With what is supposedly being offered (3rd overall and a top guy) I think that eliminates some of those guy as that would be a great overpayment by the Oilers.

Makes it look to me like it is either Subban or Letang (or maybe a Ranger).

I lean towards Subban. There always seems to be friction with him in Montreal and he is about the get a huge contract. Montreal also has some good young defensemen coming up in their system (Beauleiu, Tinordi, Thrower) who may be ready to step in. And at third a player like Draisaitl gives them some needed top 6 size.
- dal_johnson

Good thing I looked through a few post because I was about to make the same list. Good job! minor issue about Seabrook being on the Blues?

I would be really careful if it's Seabrook they're looking at. Recent shenanigans aside, and acknowledging they're different players, he has Wade Redden (after separation from Chara) written all over him.
- bluenatic411

no

i think we're watching two different seabrooks
- Flyfreaky

- glove_was_stuck

(frank)ing oilers fans

u keep Coburn.
we'll keep eberle and the 3rd

if ud like to revisit a straight up trade for one of those two (and again-im not sure im willing to do ebs straight up) we'll discuss.
otherwise; no thanks.
- hugefemale dog77

That's kind of where I'm at. There's many dmen that would make us better, so I'm not that tempted to chase a particular player at an inflated price.