Wanna go with +/- ?


Plek gets torched in that as well.
- Pecafan Fan

Awesome!!!

Plekanec (frank)ed again.
- hscesq

regardless of the award's description, it's always awarded to the best 2-way centre. Plekanec is an outstanding defensive player. but as a 2-way player, he's well behind those guys.
- DoubleDown

I guess it's morphed into this over the years. Wasn't always like that.

it's so ridiculous how the media has polarized advanced stats.
- DoubleDown

its so stupid agreed.

a little bit of stat analysis coupled with actual experience and intuition would be the common sense solution

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- WaterBoy

Nevermind. Apparently, I have no clue what I'm talking about anyhow.

its so stupid agreed.

a little bit of stat analysis coupled with actual experience and intuition would be the common sense solution
- Dozzer

Who is this and what have you done with Bruce?

- hscesq

Carbonneau won it with 38 pts, in an era where there were 50 goals scorers aplenty

its so stupid agreed.

a little bit of stat analysis coupled with actual experience and intuition would be the common sense solution
- Dozzer

I'm leaving hockeybuzz forever. goodbye.

Who is this and what have you done with Bruce?
- hscesq

Carbonneau won it with 38 pts, in an era where there were 50 goals scorers aplenty
- stinger67

French refs

I'm leaving hockeybuzz forever. goodbye.
- dt99999

i always chase those close to me away

Carbonneau won it with 38 pts, in an era where there were 50 goals scorers aplenty
- stinger67

I can't tell if you agree with me or not. You do, right?

I guess it's morphed into this over the years. Wasn't always like that.
- hscesq

Agreed.

But back in the day, players like Kopitar weren't killing penalties. As well as putting up 70pts.

Carbonneau won it with 38 pts, in an era where there were 50 goals scorers aplenty
- stinger67

John Madden won it with like 6 points

Carbonneau won it with 38 pts, in an era where there were 50 goals scorers aplenty
- stinger67

Jarvis with 42.

Agreed.

But back in the day, players like Kopitar weren't killing penalties. As well as putting up 70pts.
- Pecafan Fan

Shut up you Kopitar lover!!

I can't tell if you agree with me or not. You do, right?
- hscesq

I do. If you look at the type of player who used to win it, they changed it with time.

I do. If you look at the type of player who used to win it, they changed it with time.
- stinger67

Gainey with 31 pts.

How did Steve Kasper win it with a -18????

I do. If you look at the type of player who used to win it, they changed it with time.
- stinger67

How players are used changed as well.

Gainey with 31 pts.

How did Steve Kasper win it with a -18????
- hscesq

probably had a strong Fenwick close

How players are used changed as well.
- Pecafan Fan

I think Gretzky and Kurri were really the first offensive players on the PK consistently.

probably had a strong Fenwick close
- DoubleDown

I knew it!

Agreed.

But back in the day, players like Kopitar weren't killing penalties. As well as putting up 70pts.
- Pecafan Fan

Gretzky, Messier, Stevie Y and Mario top 4 shorthanded goals leaders of all time.

http://www.hockey-referen...ders/goals_sh_career.html

I do. If you look at the type of player who used to win it, they changed it with time.
- stinger67

Totally...and also have to remember that the Selke is a bit of a popularity contest...

I like Plekanec as much as the next guy, but you have to admit that the players named ahead of him are also much better players...at least his equal defensively and far better offensively.

Gainey with 31 pts.

How did Steve Kasper win it with a -18????
- hscesq