I'm wondering just what "F's" stands for.
- wolfhounds

Frenchies?

Video-review can go a long way to recognizing patterns, holes, seams, etc.

If getting shots through is the issue in the O zone -- then seeing where open lanes are on video is quite a useful thing.

More effective, then, say, telling guys to shoot harder slapshots at Ranger shin pads.
- Moose_15

I don't see that as the key issues. That PP if nothing else needs to be worked out, and the approach changed from continuously giving the puck to Giroux. If you notice, Voracek generally has a clear lane to the net because the Rangers are over-committed to Giroux and Timonen.

The Flyers have been dominated a hell of a lot more than the Rangers have in this series, but if they want to try the same approach by all means. Trying the same poop over and over again expecting different results...

Lets go watch some video! Craig (frank)ing Berube. Genius. Go play that (frank)ing 3rd line some more and sit your best players.

Of course it is, because you run with any sort of thread you can spin into how Berube is the worst thing that's happened to the Flyers since Desjardins got hurt.
- Giroux_Is_God

No, but he has contributed to them being female dog slapped for long stretches in this series.

You are free to defend him if you wish, no worries here. Can agree to disagree, but he is being out-coached and a lack of adjustments in particular to that PP as well as questionable distribution of ice time... In my eyes he has dropped the ball.

If they are watching video to change how they play the game without trying it on the ice, that's kind of comical if you ask me.
- flyer_nutter

No matter what, they can't replicate the Rangers forecheck in practice. You wouldn't want to put your team through a rigorous practice anyway. I bet, at least, half of them would need maintenance days anyway.

Frenchies?
- Tomahawk

I thought we already got rid of them.

No, but he has contributed to them being female dog slapped for long stretches in this series.

You are free to defend him if you wish, no worries here. Can agree to disagree, but he is being out-coached and a lack of adjustments in particular to that PP as well as questionable distribution of ice time... In my eyes he has dropped the ball.
- flyer_nutter

Give Berube 3 top pairing defenseman and a top 3 goalie and he'd have this team humming right along.

No matter what, they can't replicate the Rangers forecheck in practice. You wouldn't want to put your team through a rigorous practice anyway. I bet, at least, half of them would need maintenance days anyway.
- PhillySportsGuy

You can at the very least work on the PP, and getting comfortable with not always giving it to Giroux on the wall. I would think even that would be more productive than watching it on video and saying "look here guys, we cant do that".

If nothing else that PP. If the Flyers have trouble scoring 5 on 5 because of Giroux continuously being hit and shut down, along with secondary scoring nearly invisible you play to your strength. You adjust instead of trying the same BS.

Just a nutter's thoughts. I'll end with the Berube poop for today, he seems to be a favourite b/c he "dug" them out of a hole early in the season. Get that to a point.

Give Berube 3 top pairing defenseman and a top 3 goalie and he'd have this team humming right along.
- PhillySportsGuy

So in other words give Berube Glen Sather?

You can at the very least work on the PP, and getting comfortable with not always giving it to Giroux on the wall. I would think even that would be more productive than watching it on video and saying "look here guys, we cant do that".

If nothing else that PP. If the Flyers have trouble scoring 5 on 5 because of Giroux continuously being hit and shut down, along with secondary scoring nearly invisible you play to your strength. You adjust instead of trying the same BS.

Just a nutter's thoughts.
- flyer_nutter

They don't play until Friday. They can watch tape today then practice special teams tomorrow. As a coach, you don't want to overdo it.

Yes, on teams that get eliminated.

Not sure I get what you're trying to say.
- Flyersgod

I don't really have the interest in going back through Stanley Cup champions past to prove my point. It's OK to agree to disagree.

I don't necessarily need every single person here to agree with me; enough people got it

They don't play until Friday. They can watch tape today then practice special teams tomorrow. As a coach, you don't want to overdo it.
- PhillySportsGuy

We will see. While they won game 2, we all know that got outplayed for long stretches there as well.

I am very curious if we see adjustments in game 4, and a distribution of ice time more in favour of your best players. Which has not happened in games 1-3.

I'm not holding my breath.

They don't play until Friday. They can watch tape today then practice special teams tomorrow. As a coach, you don't want to overdo it.
- PhillySportsGuy

Skate em till they puke!! Again! Again!

I don't see that as the key issues. That PP if nothing else needs to be worked out, and the approach changed from continuously giving the puck to Giroux. If you notice, Voracek generally has a clear lane to the net because the Rangers are over-committed to Giroux and Timonen.

The Flyers have been dominated a hell of a lot more than the Rangers have in this series, but if they want to try the same approach by all means. Trying the same poop over and over again expecting different results...

Lets go watch some video! Craig (frank)ing Berube. Genius. Go play that (frank)ing 3rd line some more and sit your best players.
- flyer_nutter

We're seeing different things in the coaching then. Berube has implemented changes between games--but they have been minor adjustments (closing cross rink lanes in Game 2 that were open in Game 1 -- moving through the neutral zone more efficiently as the series has progressed -- getting more control of the puck in Game 3).

The Power Play has not looked good. You are right. However, throwing out the set-up and starting from scratch simply won't work in a two day layoff. It's not a realistic change to create a brand new set-up and think that it will work with such a limited practice schedule.

The video review means that he wants to make minor adjustments -- so players can see the full rink set up (not just what's in their line of vision). This way--Voracek can "see" the full rink and see that they are giving him that lane.

If you want to get at Berube for over using the 3rd line. I'll agree with you there. If you want to get at Berube for playing Emery over Mason in game 3 -- which I thought was bad strategy -- I'll agree with you there, too.

But let's calm down. Take a step back. It's 2-1. It's not panic time yet. Let the coach coach.

Of course it is, because you run with any sort of thread you can spin into how Berube is the worst thing that's happened to the Flyers since Desjardins got hurt.
- Giroux_Is_God

which time?

Skate em till they puke!! Again! Again!
- Tomahawk

Try harder, you dogs! If you want it bad enough, Ryan McDonagh's gonna skate slower, get smaller and be more stupid!

I'm taking all my frustrations out on this (frank)ing lease I'm drafting. I don't know what that means but I'm bored and frustrated.
- wilsonecho91

i believe you were the one in here who warned me about the rule against perpetuities?

We're seeing different things in the coaching then. Berube has implemented changes between games--but they have been minor adjustments (closing cross rink lanes in Game 2 that were open in Game 1 -- moving through the neutral zone more efficiently as the series has progressed -- getting more control of the puck in Game 3).

The Power Play has not looked good. You are right. However, throwing out the set-up and starting from scratch simply won't work in a two day layoff. It's not a realistic change to create a brand new set-up and think that it will work with such a limited practice schedule.

The video review means that he wants to make minor adjustments -- so players can see the full rink set up (not just what's in their line of vision). This way--Voracek can "see" the full rink and see that they are giving him that lane.

If you want to get at Berube for over using the 3rd line. I'll agree with you there. If you want to get at Berube for playing Emery over Mason in game 3 -- which I thought was bad strategy -- I'll agree with you there, too.

But let's calm down. Take a step back. It's 2-1. It's not panic time yet. Let the coach coach.
- Moose_15

Imo its not throwing out the whole PP system, it has worked for them for the majority of the year. Unfortunately teams have found and realised the key is Giroux, and if you swarm him the PP is negated far too easily.

There has been no adjustment there all series long. That 2nd PP unit doesn't seem to have a defined role as to who carries it in etc, so they could use work as well.

I'm essentially calm, and they are far from done. Curious to see how Mason does.

Skate em till they puke!! Again! Again!
- Tomahawk

So a video-review practice day.

Assuming we see no gameplan changes and the same approach to game 4.

Way to go Craig.
- flyer_nutter

Why do you assume that the only place to change the game plan is on the ice? I would have expected rethinking and re-imagining how to proceed isn't something that requires you be wearing skates. And they don't play til Friday. They'll have a chance to skate tomorrow. And Berube would not have been my choice and would still not be my choice but then, I'd have changed coaches in the off season.

Why do you assume that the only place to change the game plan is on the ice? I would have expected rethinking and re-imagining how to proceed isn't something that requires you be wearing skates. And they don't play til Friday. They'll have a chance to skate tomorrow.
- bodiva88

Damn you and your rational thinking!

Why do you assume that the only place to change the game plan is on the ice? I would have expected rethinking and re-imagining how to proceed isn't something that requires you be wearing skates. And they don't play til Friday. They'll have a chance to skate tomorrow. And Berube would not have been my choice and would still not be my choice but then, I'd have changed coaches in the off season.
- bodiva88

who is your choice?

Imo its not throwing out the whole PP system, it has worked for them for the majority of the year. Unfortunately teams have found and realised the key is Giroux, and if you swarm him the PP is negated far too easily.

There has been no adjustment there all series long. That 2nd PP unit doesn't seem to have a defined role as to who carries it in etc, so they could use work as well.

I'm essentially calm, and they are far from done. Curious to see how Mason does.
- flyer_nutter

So--if we're not talking about scrapping the PP system, and trying to find spaces on the ice where the set up can be altered to give non-Giroux players greater roles during the Power Play -- or make adjustments so that Giroux can see open spaces outside his regular line of vision (as with an overhead view) -- how does video review not help accomplish all this?

I don't see that as the key issues. That PP if nothing else needs to be worked out, and the approach changed from continuously giving the puck to Giroux. If you notice, Voracek generally has a clear lane to the net because the Rangers are over-committed to Giroux and Timonen.

The Flyers have been dominated a hell of a lot more than the Rangers have in this series, but if they want to try the same approach by all means. Trying the same poop over and over again expecting different results...

Lets go watch some video! Craig (frank)ing Berube. Genius. Go play that (frank)ing 3rd line some more and sit your best players.
- flyer_nutter

I agree that they need to make some changes to the PP. Voracek has a clear lane to the net, because he is on the weak side, and it's a 5 on 4. But once the puck goes to Voracek, he will no longer have a clear lane. The Pkers will rotate over. Video is a widely used tool in all sports by coaches to look at where the problems are. It's been a long season, and it's better to keep the team fresh rather then run them into the ground practicing every day. And I'm not sure, but I think it's quite possible that they will practice what they went over today in video, tomorrow. But maybe Berube just doesn't know what he's doing.

Imo its not throwing out the whole PP system, it has worked for them for the majority of the year. Unfortunately teams have found and realised the key is Giroux, and if you swarm him the PP is negated far too easily.

There has been no adjustment there all series long. That 2nd PP unit doesn't seem to have a defined role as to who carries it in etc, so they could use work as well.

I'm essentially calm, and they are far from done. Curious to see how Mason does.
- flyer_nutter

So far nothing I've seen in this series has surprised me in the least.

They lose and look bad doing so. Knowing they must win the next game, they win it. Well, the pressure is kind of off now, so they lose. I can just about guarantee, knowing that they need a win here badly, they win game 4.

Do you see the pattern yet?

They are a good team, but until (and this comes from experience) they learn that they have to play all out all the time, they will never be a top team. This, as much as their on ice play, is what they miss from having guys like Pronger and Lappy. These guys understood, and showed every shift by example, what it takes to win consistently and win the big games at this level.

Win or lose, this team is not mature enough to win a Stanley Cup. Hopefully, the younger players learn from this and they are that much better next year. And, with that being said, I hope they don't panic and rip this team apart trying to land that elusive #1 dman.

Voracek, Giroux, Coburn, AMac, Simmonds, Read and Mason have many prime years left. Raffl and Luke Schenn are just coming into their prime years while B. Schenn and Couturier are just starting to scratch the surface.

In the pipeline, they have Laughton who will certainly be at least a 3rd line player. On D, the group of Morin, Ghost, Hagg and Alt should produce at least 1 or 2 top 4 guys and Stolarz gives them a legit quality prospect in goal.

STAY PATIENT! This team, after years of squandering picks, is finally moving in the right direction. Don't frank it up now!

Sorry for the long rant, but this one had been simmering for a while.

I agree that they need to make some changes to the PP. Voracek has a clear lane to the net, because he is on the weak side, and it's a 5 on 4. But once the puck goes to Voracek, he will no longer have a clear lane. The Pkers will rotate over. Video is a widely used tool in all sports by coaches to look at where the problems are. It's been a long season, and it's better to keep the team fresh rather then run them into the ground practicing every day. And I'm not sure, but I think it's quite possible that they will practice what they went over today in video, tomorrow. But maybe Berube just doesn't know what he's doing.
- MJL

Haha damn right, now we got it!

Damn you fools and your rational thinking. Wont let me run wild with my fury.