My favorite part was how Zuc just basically sat the hell down.

How can you call a penalty on a guy for shoving himself into someone's abs because he's that much shorter than him
- Giroux_Is_God

In real time it's a tougher call to make, Zucc had about 3 strides on Coburn, not much he could do, besides a snow angel move.

I am fully alive and well!
- Giroux_Is_God

well, that that assuages any fears I had of ghosts posting here

Lindros was their best player and scored their only goal in game 6 of the 2000 ECF. Him playing was never a question. The distraction of the off-ice drama and stripping him of the captaincy became a convenient touchpoint for the media - and extremely tiresome for Flyers fans.
- BOSS_TWEED

not to mention that if there was literally a half second more on the clock the flyers likely will game 6 with his goal at the 2nd period buzzer.

it's silly. if lindros was healthy, he had to play. not debatable.

i just can't think any more about that series right now...

I am not hating. Emery has played outstanding given the circumstances. It just stupid to overlook the obvious deficiencies in his game and not playing a goalie that does not have those. They are going to score more of these cross ice goals if Emery plays more games.

Do you disagree with that? What if that costs us a game at home? Than we lose the advantage we gained from taking a split in MSG. All because we played a goalie who was very good, but not as good as another goalie we could have played instead?
- FlyersSteve118

Emery actually adjusted to those cross-ice plays, and made 2 great stops on them in Game 2. He was squared, but as soon as the player's blade turned, the anticipated the pass. He didn't sacrifice squaring to the shot, but didn't commit early on it. If he does that, his side-to-side movement is not an issue.

A joke right?
- Flyersgod

Stahhhhhhhhp don't get into that poop.

Let's talk about how the referees are subpar.

well, that that assuages any fears I had of ghosts posting here
- BulliesPhan87

Plot twist: I'm Shayne Gostisbehere

How can anyone postulate what shot would have been stopped by which goalie?
- puckhead17

You can't. Which makes the argument a complete waste of time. People do the same thing with the future. You can't prove or dispove a lot of stuff in the future because it hasn't happened yet. They do it all the time in politics.

Watch. Prove me wrong.

The Flyers will win the cup in 2014.

Plot twist: I'm Shayne Gostisbehere
- Giroux_Is_God

Ghostbear?!

Also, please stop endangering our prospect pool

Stahhhhhhhhp don't get into that poop.

Let's talk about how the referees are subpar.
- Giroux_Is_God

Don't make me throw a baby at you

I am fully alive and well!
- Giroux_Is_God

Tell me, does a zombie know it's a zombie?

In real time it's a tougher call to make, Zucc had about 3 strides on Coburn, not much he could do, besides a snow angel move.
- puckhead17

It's one of those plays where they almost have to call a penalty though.

Like one of these: "Uhhhhh...there's got to be a penalty there, right? That can't be legal."

So I'm meh. If that happened to Giroux, we'd all be crucifying the refs if they hadn't called anything.

WHY IS THIS A THING HOLY (frank)

If a player dives, he should get the only penalty. Perfect example is that AMac penalty. Isn't it logical that if a player dives, he dives because he wants to sell something that WASN'T a penalty
- Giroux_Is_God

i disagree with this. a player can commit a penalty and the other player can still dive to sell the call. they're not mutually exclusive.

i disagree with this. a player can commit a penalty and the other player can still dive to sell the call. they're not mutually exclusive.
- hammarby31

I don't disagree, but it really seems like it's an automatic "take em both", which also is wrong.

Did AMac commit a penalty there when that Ranger flopped? Better believe he didn't.

Great post and I totally agree. If mason is healthy, he plays. He's the #1. However if he is just well enough to play, and hasn't sufficiently recovered from the injury, I go with Emery again.

One example of the difference, is while this is speculation, I beleive that Mason stops the Pouliot goal. It was a flutter shot, and Mason is much quicker side to side.
- MJL

i think the knuckle puck (frank)ed up emery's timing.

I don't disagree, but it really seems like it's an automatic "take em both", which also is wrong.

Did AMac commit a penalty there when that Ranger flopped? Better believe he didn't.
- Giroux_Is_God

i agree that both don't always happen together. the refs are idiots.

Absolutely. But then again, referees like those clear-cut penalties (like the double minor for blood) so that they don't have to worry about a judgement call. Paul Stewart (who is not the norm for a referee) did a blog about it a month or so ago, that he didn't make the automatic puck over the glass call the first time it happened because he knew it was an accident. And he admitted it was a mistake, because it's not his place to make judgement calls on plays like that. So, really, the NHL would have to admit it made a mistake, and open itself up to tons of possible criticism for poor judgement calls. Good luck selling that one.
- jmatchett383

Penalties in the NHL are like holding calls in the NFL. They can be called much more frequently if the refs wanted to. Thats why calls, normally, even out.

Ok, say Mason is in net for game 1. Say he does stop the 2nd ranger goal. The powerplay still had another 1:45ish seconds. Unless Mason was playing like Patrick Roy, there is no chance of him getting out of those 4 minutes without giving up 1.

The problem with this debate is this. You guys are debating a historical event that happened with Emery and replacing him and changing the results. Logically you can't do this in an argument. Mason didn't plaly, so we don't know what would have happened regardless.
- Flyersgod

Yeah I wasn't trying to do that, but I got sucked into the debate.... My original point was just that Mason's puck moving skills could have alleviated pressure quicker in the zone and these theoretical scoring chances might never have happened.

I also just noted that Mason has made these cross ice saves during the season and seems to make them with ease. But if Mason was playing the Rags would be trying to get guys in front of the net and get deflections and rebound goals and not trying to make these types of east west plays to begin with.

It's one of those plays where they almost have to call a penalty though.

Like one of these: "Uhhhhh...there's got to be a penalty there, right? That can't be legal."

So I'm meh. If that happened to Giroux, we'd all be crucifying the refs if they hadn't called anything.
- Giroux_Is_God

I dunno, rewatching the play I still haven't seen a hold. There is also no penalty in the rule book stating it's illegal to be massively taller than a midget and reaching over him to play the puck. Looks like the Ranger initiated contact with coburn and coburn said F this shortie, and reached over him and played the puck.

If you dive and get the puck before tripping someone = not a penalty
If you go over someone and get the puck first = penalty

Confusing to me.

Tell me, does a zombie know it's a zombie?
- wolfhounds

As the self proclaimed zombie expert on this page, No.

I dunno, rewatching the play I still haven't seen a hold. There is also no penalty in the rule book stating it's illegal to be massively taller than a midget and reaching over him to play the puck. Looks like the Ranger initiated contact with coburn and coburn said F this shortie, and reached over him and played the puck.

If you dive and get the puck before tripping someone = not a penalty
If you go over someone and get the puck first = penalty

Confusing to me.
- Flyersgod

All good points. Especially that last part.

The best rationale I can come up with for the hold is that in reaching around Zuc (giggity) Coburn prevented him from moving freely, which is basically ra- I mean holding.

Is ML available!?!?
- FlyersFirst

why would you want martin lawrence?

As the self proclaimed zombie expert on this page, No.
- Flyersgod

Poor GiG, doesn't even know he's a zombie after that little water-boarding experiment.

Now, about those shotguns...

You can't. Which makes the argument a complete waste of time. People do the same thing with the future. You can't prove or dispove a lot of stuff in the future because it hasn't happened yet. They do it all the time in politics.

Watch. Prove me wrong.

The Flyers will win the cup in 2014.
- Flyersgod

Hey, that's fun, let me try.

We will acquire Shea Weber for 3 players we don't want anyway.
Crosby will get his wiener caught in the car door

Man, this is fun!

Poor GiG, doesn't even know he's a zombie after that little water-boarding experiment.

Now, about those shotguns...
- wolfhounds

Does this mean I have to change my avatar?

I can't bring myself to do it guys

All good points. Especially that last part.

The best rationale I can come up with for the hold is that in reaching around Zuc (giggity) Coburn prevented him from moving freely, which is basically ra- I mean holding.
- Giroux_Is_God

Reached over, not around. If Zuc wasn't leaning completely on Coburn and relying on Coburn to keep him on his skates he wouldn't have falled.

It's whatever at this point. It's no surprise to me that the flyers don't get more calls in their favor.