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steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Apr 21 @ 11:33 AM ET
Mason was named the starter based on a season of play where he, statistically and on non-statistically, was a better player. That is why he earned the starter status. There was nothing arbitrary about it.

Now that it's the playoff, you have a goalie who just turned in two performances where no goalie would be able (correction: "expected") to win in Game 1, and who basically just stole you a playoff road win. So, I don't care about their roles or titles. He was given a chance, and succeeded, and I'd reward him with another start, regardless of his "role."

- jmatchett383


Well I'd say that it would be a poor decision on Coach Matchett's part to ignore the workhorse and reward the backup. That may sit well with the players; it may not. Coach SteelyDan would put Mason back in there when confident of Mason's health, because he's the better goalie and gives the team a better chance to win. And at the end of the day, that's what it's all about.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 21 @ 11:34 AM ET
You can put 18 skaters onto your roster, so of course you can. How many goalies can you play at once?
- jmatchett383



You're pulling out the player that you had in the lineup, and putting Giroux back in. So it's still one for one.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 21 @ 11:34 AM ET
So let's say that Claude Giroux was out injured. And his replacement player played very well in the two games, while Giroux was out, and the Flyers won those games. If Giroux is ready for game 3, would you not put him in the lineup and right back on the top line?
- MJL


apples and oranges. but i agree mason should go back in if he's ready.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

Apr 21 @ 11:34 AM ET
You know what guys, you're right: we should never, ever reward good play with more playing time based on labels and roles earned over a season. Jason Akeson should not be playing, because he was labelled as an AHLer all season. Steve Downie should be on the third line because that was his position all year.
- jmatchett383


Now you are just being ridiculous. You know how hockey works. Mason is the better player and Emery played good for us. Got the job done. Now its time to win this series. By putting the best team on the ice. And Mason is the better player.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
Yes, I would. One game would not be enough for me to pull the #1 and go with the backup. How many games did Gerber play in the playoffs before being pulled for Ward?
- MJL


2, iirc, they were down 0-2 to the habs in the first round.
steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Apr 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
You know what guys, you're right: we should never, ever reward good play with more playing time based on labels and roles earned over a season. Jason Akeson should not be playing, because he was labelled as an AHLer all season. Steve Downie should be on the third line because that was his position all year.
- jmatchett383


That's different. You can ice 18 skaters, but only 1 goalie. Please refer to your previous post for confirmation.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
the Grossmann call on Nash was bogus too

Grossmann is entitled to his ice there, just because Nash tried to go through him does not make it interference

- Marc D


i went ballistic on that call.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
I'd hope they give him a shot over Rinaldo in this series... Rangers' 4th-line is playing really well... Flyers own 4th gets torched every time they hit the ice.
- Tomahawk

an argument could be made for double shifting Raffl, the 4th line is noticeably better with him on it
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 21 @ 11:35 AM ET
You know what guys, you're right: we should never, ever reward good play with more playing time based on labels and roles earned over a season. Jason Akeson should not be playing, because he was labelled as an AHLer all season. Steve Downie should be on the third line because that was his position all year.
- jmatchett383



What should be done, is if all players are healthy, is put the best lineup on the ice. And if both are healthy, Mason is the better goalie. Regardless of how well Emery has played to this point.
Steve Downie has the track record of not playing well, and not being effective for a large chunk of games down the stretch.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 21 @ 11:36 AM ET
Yes, I would. One game would not be enough for me to pull the #1 and go with the backup. How many games did Gerber play in the playoffs before being pulled for Ward?
- MJL


2. He had a 1-1 record in 6 total games that playoff. So, 2 is the magic number?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 21 @ 11:36 AM ET
2, iirc, they were down 0-2 to the habs in the first round.
- hammarby31



I don't know which games, but Gerber started 4 games in that playoff season.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 21 @ 11:36 AM ET
You're pulling out the player that you had in the lineup, and putting Giroux back in. So it's still one for one.
- MJL


Dude, this is a ludicrous argument (maybe mine is too) even for you. You're comparing putting 1 of 12 forwards in a lineup to putting 1 of 1 goalies in a crease.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 21 @ 11:37 AM ET
Similarly...and I used my statistics class to come to this conclusion:

The probability of success given low standards is significant.

In other words,
P(Success|Low Standards) ~ 1

- Giroux_Is_God

When math started using words my head exploded.

Math with just numbers and variables, i'm golden. Make me figure out greater than or less than and then graph the results, my head explodes.

Word problems were always a nightmare for me too. The "create a formula" for the following: The Flyers have 4 players taller than 6'2". Player x is taller than 6'1". How much cocain does Jeff Carter blow during a weekend at the shore?

Head. Explodes.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 21 @ 11:37 AM ET
just this page? there are literally hundreds is not thousand of pages on this site which would indicate this.
- hammarby31

hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Apr 21 @ 11:38 AM ET
I don't know which games, but Gerber started 4 games in that playoff season.
- MJL


i'm pretty sure he got those 2 starts in the other rounds...don't remember the circumstances though.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 21 @ 11:38 AM ET
I don't know which games, but Gerber started 4 games in that playoff season.
- MJL


And what was his record in those 4 games? How many did he play poorly in?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 21 @ 11:39 AM ET
I refuse to be judged

I love calc. Got a 5 on my AP test

- Giroux_Is_God


All good

Though I save my love for fine scotch, the Flyers and most especially women with loose or better yet nonexistent morals!
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 21 @ 11:39 AM ET
STATS IS NOT MATH AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME OTHERWISE

In stats, you ASSUME the data is normally distributed and you ASSUME your equations are valid and you ASSUME you're going to get a horrendous grade on your exam

In math, you PROVE things. You PROVE why your equations are valid then you use them.

Stats lies to us all.

Calculus is fun. Stats is not.

- Giroux_Is_God


There are lies, damned lies and statistics.

-Mark Twain
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 21 @ 11:39 AM ET
Eh, F this. Let's just start Mason no matter what because he's the starter and pay no need to hoe Emery played. I'm sure it will have no possible ill effects on the team. Have fun today guys. Enjoy being right.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 21 @ 11:39 AM ET
Dude, this is a ludicrous argument (maybe mine is too) even for you. You're comparing putting 1 of 12 forwards in a lineup to putting 1 of 1 goalies in a crease.
- jmatchett383



Nothing ludicrous about it. A player is out of the lineup due to an injury. A player replaces the injured player. When the better player is healthy, he goes back in the lineup, and the replacement comes out. Because he's the better player. Mason is healthy, is a better goalie then Emery is. Regardless of how well Emery has played.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 21 @ 11:40 AM ET
I refuse to be judged

I love calc. Got a 5 on my AP test

- Giroux_Is_God

I'm confused. Last time i checked, getting a 5 was terrible, no?
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 21 @ 11:40 AM ET
When math started using words my head exploded.

Math with just numbers and variables, i'm golden. Make me figure out greater than or less than and then graph the results, my head explodes.

Word problems were always a nightmare for me too. The "create a formula" for the following: The Flyers have 4 players taller than 6'2". Player x is taller than 6'1". How much cocain does Jeff Carter blow during a weekend at the shore?

Head. Explodes.

- Flyersgod

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 21 @ 11:40 AM ET
Nothing ludicrous about it. A player is out of the lineup due to an injury. A player replaces the injured player. When the better player is healthy, he goes back in the lineup, and the replacement comes out. Because he's the better player. Mason is healthy, is a better goalie then Emery is. Regardless of how well Emery has played.
- MJL


Enjoy being right.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

Apr 21 @ 11:41 AM ET
Eh, F this. Let's just start Mason no matter what because he's the starter and pay no need to hoe Emery played. I'm sure it will have no possible ill effects on the team. Have fun today guys. Enjoy being right.
- jmatchett383


This isn't Lindros. These are two respected players on this team. I seriously doubt it will have any ill effects on the team psyche.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 21 @ 11:41 AM ET
And what was his record in those 4 games? How many did he play poorly in?
- jmatchett383



I don't know. But it's clear that the two situations are different.
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