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hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 21 @ 11:53 AM ET
did that really happen?
- RileyB77

Not our finest hour to be sure.
BirdBath
Joined: 06.27.2008

Apr 21 @ 11:53 AM ET
The pacioretty incident is on a whole other level than officitiating. Would you kindly leave that s-hit hole to the past?
- RealHabs7230

Oh....looks like we got a caller.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Apr 21 @ 11:53 AM ET
Nope. It's pretty clear, after watching both teams all season, that I heavily feel the lightning are the better team. Look at all the stats you want, I'm sure lightning win 90% of them. And it's not just stats, they finished ahead of them in the standings which means in-game play is a factor, I'm not basing it just on stats. The lightning picked a poopty time to start playing bad hockey, and the canadiens picked a good time to start playing the best hockey of the year. It's not really biased at all. It's actually a fair opinion. The lightning, when at best, are the better team. They are losing 3-0 because they're not at their best. Like I said many times, good for MTL for playing wicked hockey when it counts. But, with a combination of good MTL hockey and horrid tampa hockey, we are down 3-0

That's why its frustrating, because if we played our game, we could be up 3-0 or tied or whatever. Just not down 3-0, that's for sure. I'm not sitting here complaining about the bad call (I think it was the wrong call, but it is what it is. It happened, time to move on) but I will complain about not playing good solid Tampa hockey that we've seen all year. It sucks for us, its a part of a good process for our young team and coach, but its still the playoffs and it still sucks.

- RileyB77


Habs have more playoff big game experience especially CP. The results are showing TBay is young and inexperienced especially Cooper.
stammerman
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 07.05.2013

Apr 21 @ 11:54 AM ET
Oh....looks like we got a caller.
- BirdBath

uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 21 @ 11:56 AM ET
I don't need to read any blogs about that disallowed goal being correct as it is written, that is the problem its a flawed rule. The NHL should look at this rule in the offseason.

First Subban prevents Killorn from exiting the goal mouth by blocking him so shouldn't that be interference, then Price knowing this bullpoop rule went out of his way to the left to touch Killorn while tracking the puck to possibly get the call, then to top it all off Price had enough time to reset but he was out off position outside the crease then started to flop back cross ice still outside the crease when the Lightning made the cross ice pass.

There was like 4 seconds from when he touched Killorn to the goal, if there was interference on the play shouldn't it have been called dead the moment the ref saw it but he waited until the goal 4 seconds later so what was that about, poor job by the ref.

Touche on Price for knowing that rule and using it to his advantage and suckering the ref into calling it. They need to review that rule somehow.

Every Habs fan on here would feel the same way as us Bolts fans feel if this game was reversed and it happened to your team, it was a very controversial call that changed the dynamic of the game for our team.

- stammerman


This. The NHL will make a "reactionary" change to the rule
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 21 @ 11:58 AM ET
If you look at the video, Briere , plain and simple, came in and cross-checked paquette. There's no grey area at all on that penalty. Briere took his two hands, put them on his stick, and shoved paquette with the stick from the back.
- RileyB77


While Paquette was involved with a different Hab thus making Briere the 3rd man in
BirdBath
Joined: 06.27.2008

Apr 21 @ 11:59 AM ET
While Paquette was involved with a different Hab thus making Briere the 3rd man in
- uf1910

pretty sure this has already been established.
RealHabs7230
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 06.29.2012

Apr 21 @ 11:59 AM ET
Oh....looks like we got a caller.
- BirdBath


Only thing i would have called is the lost of faith in humanity.
keep treating it as a joke all you want, people were hoping for patch to stay paralysed and even die. i digress, cheers if youre having fun.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 21 @ 12:00 PM ET
pretty sure this has already been established.
- BirdBath

I have to meet TT. She has to be the most incredible, tolerant woman in the history of mankind.
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 21 @ 12:01 PM ET
I understood before. Just making sure you understood the call was a cross checking call.
- hscesq


And like I said he was the 3rd man in and committed an infraction to a Bolts player involved with a different Habs player. That's why the official made the call yet many Habs fans are calling it a phantom call. Regardless of what the penalty was Briere was the 3rd man in and thus drew the call even though he correctly wasn't given the "3rd man in penalty"
elcabong
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm not sure... I lost my GPS, QC
Joined: 07.02.2010

Apr 21 @ 12:01 PM ET
Oh....looks like we got a caller.
- BirdBath

Only thing i would have called is the lost of faith in humanity.
keep treating it as a joke all you want, people were hoping for patch to stay paralysed and even die. i digress, cheers if youre having fun.

- RealHabs7230

He has nothing better to do this Spring...or next Spring...ore the one after etc..
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 21 @ 12:03 PM ET
And like I said he was the 3rd man in and committed an infraction to a Bolts player involved with a different Habs player. That's why the official made the call yet many Habs fans are calling it a phantom call. Regardless of what the penalty was Briere was the 3rd man in and thus drew the call even though he correctly wasn't given the "3rd man in penalty"
- uf1910

I'm sorry to have to continue this, but your interpretation is incorrect as far as hockey goes. Was he the third person in the scrum? Yes, he was. But as far as "third man in" in the hockey sense goes, that is not why he was whistled.
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 21 @ 12:05 PM ET
pretty sure this has already been established.
- BirdBath


Tell the referee who was questioning why I used "3rd man in" in my justification that the call on Briere was in fact NOT a "phantom" call that some of the Habs fans were claiming
BirdBath
Joined: 06.27.2008

Apr 21 @ 12:06 PM ET
Tell the referee who was questioning why I used "3rd man in" in my justification that the call on Briere was in fact NOT a "phantom" call that some of the Habs fans were claiming
- uf1910

I think he gets it.
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

Apr 21 @ 12:08 PM ET
I'm sorry to have to continue this, but your interpretation is incorrect as far as hockey goes. Was he the third person in the scrum? Yes, he was. But as far as "third man in" in the hockey sense goes, that is not why he was whistled.
- hscesq

Isn't that only for fights not scrums?
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 21 @ 12:08 PM ET
I'm sorry to have to continue this, but your interpretation is incorrect as far as hockey goes. Was he the third person in the scrum? Yes, he was. But as far as "third man in" in the hockey sense goes, that is not why he was whistled.
- hscesq


I'm not using the "3rd man in" as the rule he broke. However, and I'm guessing this is how the ref viewed the infraction and thus made the call, as the 3rd man in to a scrum Briere made a stupid and in some ways "dirty" play to cross-check Paquette from behind. Are there plenty of cross-checks and punches thrown during scrums that go un-called, absolutely and rightfully so. BUT the fact he was 3rd man in made the infraction "worthy" of a penalty.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 21 @ 12:13 PM ET
I'm not using the "3rd man in" as the rule he broke. However, and I'm guessing this is how the ref viewed the infraction and thus made the call, as the 3rd man in to a scrum Briere made a stupid and in some ways "dirty" play to cross-check Paquette from behind. Are there plenty of cross-checks and punches thrown during scrums that go un-called, absolutely and rightfully so. BUT the fact he was 3rd man in made the infraction "worthy" of a penalty.
- uf1910

All clear.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Apr 21 @ 12:13 PM ET
I'm not using the "3rd man in" as the rule he broke. However, and I'm guessing this is how the ref viewed the infraction and thus made the call, as the 3rd man in to a scrum Briere made a stupid and in some ways "dirty" play to cross-check Paquette from behind. Are there plenty of cross-checks and punches thrown during scrums that go un-called, absolutely and rightfully so. BUT the fact he was 3rd man in made the infraction "worthy" of a penalty.
- uf1910


I'm with you on this one. I had the same interpretation last night.
BirdBath
Joined: 06.27.2008

Apr 21 @ 12:16 PM ET
I'm with you on this one. I had the same interpretation last night.
- Pecafan Fan

*sigh*

Can someone please explain to this guy why he was third man in?
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Apr 21 @ 12:19 PM ET
*sigh*

Can someone please explain to this guy why he was third man in?

- BirdBath

Michael Stuart
Ottawa Senators
Location: "Caresi > Corsi"
Joined: 10.24.2011

Apr 21 @ 12:53 PM ET
Well this got interesting.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 21 @ 12:57 PM ET
Well this got interesting.
- Michael_Stuart


Michael Stuart
Ottawa Senators
Location: "Caresi > Corsi"
Joined: 10.24.2011

Apr 21 @ 12:58 PM ET
I'm not using the "3rd man in" as the rule he broke. However, and I'm guessing this is how the ref viewed the infraction and thus made the call, as the 3rd man in to a scrum Briere made a stupid and in some ways "dirty" play to cross-check Paquette from behind. Are there plenty of cross-checks and punches thrown during scrums that go un-called, absolutely and rightfully so. BUT the fact he was 3rd man in made the infraction "worthy" of a penalty.
- uf1910


My honest take was that he was singled out of the scrum to make a point. We see it all the time. I hate the call.
uf1910
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Excuseville, FL
Joined: 06.29.2011

Apr 21 @ 1:11 PM ET
My honest take was that he was singled out of the scrum to make a point. We see it all the time. I hate the call.
- Michael_Stuart


The refs (consistently) in the playoffs have let plenty of scrums go completely uncalled. Why was this one chosen to "make a point"? Briere made a blatant and stupid move to cross-check Paquette from behind while Paquette was engaged with another Habs player. If anything Briere singled himself out by being the "3rd man in" while 2 players were otherwise engaged with each other. I like that the refs are letting the scrums go, but what Briere did was not a scrum. It was a dirty play from behind. It was weak in the fact that Briere didn't send Paquette flying with the force of his x-check but in terms of the "hockey game" and for that matter playoff hockey with endless scrums in front of each net, what Briere did had zero to do with the game and was simply him making a "dirty" play.

Take for example the Barberio double-minor. I'm guessing there was blood to cause the 4 minutes but it wasn't the original cross-check that drew the call. That was to the shoulder and was not any more dirty than the multitude of other instances both teams have "cleared" players out of the front. The penalty was the cross-check after the Habs player was on the ground which (on the replay I saw) looked like to the head which would probably explain where the blood came from. Like the Briere penalty, I felt Barberio's was the right call. The refs have done a pretty good job in terms of calling and non-calling scrums. The dirty if not egregious stuff gets a call, but simple scrums and "playoff pleasantries" get a pass
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Apr 21 @ 1:15 PM ET
Just please do me a favour, whichever one of your teams (likely MTL) gets through.

If you face the Bruins, can somebody please get Lucic in the balls? It'll only cost $5k, and be totally worth it!!!
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