Chris Higgins and Janik Hansen - same poop, hard working bottom six players. Good when they play there, bad when they're forced into a top six role.
- LeftCoaster

Sutter better hands than Hansen better work ethic than Higgins . Higgins was invisible the last 20 games.

Yah, you can always put excellent work-ethic in the bank when you're dealing with any of the Sutters
- Zogg

Burrows like.

Sorry but they're both bottom six players on a good team, I want a good team. Sick and tired of bottom six players. No thanks to either for me!!!
- LeftCoaster

This guy knows what's up. Pass on both those guys. We have no need for players like that. Not saying they aren't worth it for a team, just not our team. If those guys are in our top 6, we aren't a better team. Have zero desire to fill out the bottom 6. I personally don't think it is a priority.

Sutter better hands than Hansen better work ethic than Higgins . Higgins was invisible the last 20 games.
- VANTEL

Sutter had two ten game stretches and one twelve game stretch without a goal, this is not a player we need.

This guy knows what's up. Pass on both those guys. We have no need for players like that. Not saying they aren't worth it for a team, just not our team. If those guys are in our top 6, we aren't a better team. Have zero desire to fill out the bottom 6. I personally don't think it is a priority.
- anavar

You know who are top 6 is as of today?

Sedins Sedin Jensen
Higgins Kesler Burrows

This is why we finished 25 th.

With all the NTCs and and declining play we don't have the assets to get top 6 players. I don't see how bringing in the Entire comet team could hurt us much more ? There isn't much difference between 25 th and 30 th expect a better draft pick.

Sutter had two ten game stretches and one twelve game stretch without a goal, this is not a player we need.
- LeftCoaster

So we should move the Sedins Burrows Kesler Higgins Hansen Booth

Ahhh, it's always refreshing to enjoy quality sarcasm

Yes, I guess the Canucks will have to go out and get a better deal, I don't think it will be as difficult as you seem to imply
- Zogg

Yeah, probably.

Gagner had one week where he was a star.how many years has he played?
- VANTEL

Gagner is not a star, never will be, might put up better numbers with a different set of line mates, but he is a decent complimentary player. He can hang with great players, but doesn't elevate anyone around him. He is what he is. A 50 point guy (when healthy over 82 games) at best. I don't blame you guys, not what Vancouver needs if they want to get better.

Not trolling, just havent watched the Canucks enough:

Are you trying to get out from Burrows' contract, or is he an important part of the team? From an outsider, it'd make sense to part with him considering he's on the older side and he was banged up this year. But I dunno, that's why I'm asking.

Not trolling, just havent watched the Canucks enough:

Are you trying to get out from Burrows' contract, or is he an important part of the team? From an outsider, it'd make sense to part with him considering he's on the older side and he was banged up this year. But I dunno, that's why I'm asking.
- TheJerseyDevil1

Burrows has always brought much more to the team than merely what the statistics show (although those are actually a pretty decent reflection nonetheless). He's the consummate team/heart and soul type player. He pretty much brings it every night, whether it's with his edgy-abrasive style, working his ass off and drawing penalties, providing great forechecking, and of course being productive offensively. There is NO way we would get fair value for a guy like Burrows. There are just way too many intangibles involved.

Burrows has always brought much more to the team than merely what the statistics show (although those are actually a pretty decent reflection nonetheless). He's the consummate team/heart and soul type player. He pretty much brings it every night, whether it's with his edgy-abrasive style, working his ass off and drawing penalties, providing great forechecking, and of course being productive offensively. There is NO way we would get fair value for a guy like Burrows. There are just way too many intangibles involved.
- Zogg

Ah that makes sense, thanks for the input.

It's funny to watch you guys bicker over who should be moved. As long as the coach continues to misuse / miscast his players... This team is going NOWHERE.

Too many times they have shipped players out that have flourished elsewhere. This team needs a REAL Coach. One who studies his players and puts them in position to succeed instead of FAILURE. A coach that gets every guy to buy in and believe.

John Tortorella may be a great person, but he's a lousy failure as a coach.

The only thing I give him credit for is backing Jensen up for trying to hold the line and coughing up the puck trying to make a play BUT, if he wasn't trying to save his job-- He would have RIPPED Jensen a new one and buried him in Utica.

It's funny to watch you guys bicker over who should be moved. As long as the coach continues to misuse / miscast his players... This team is going NOWHERE.

Too many times they have shipped players out that have flourished elsewhere. This team needs a REAL Coach. One who studies his players and puts them in position to succeed instead of FAILURE. A coach that gets every guy to buy in and believe.

John Tortorella may be a great person, but he's a lousy failure as a coach.

The only thing I give him credit for is backing Jensen up for trying to hold the line and coughing up the puck trying to make a play BUT, if he wasn't trying to save his job-- He would have RIPPED Jensen a new one and buried him in Utica.
- rugdnit

I won't defend this John Torture Fella, but this team has a bunch of creampuffs aside from Kassian and Sestito.Someone needs to kick their ass.

The fact is we have 9 players locked up for the next four years . Grab the popcorn take a seat and enjoy the draft picks.

Five minute penalty for you.
Infraction, the use of a Tortsism.
- Marwood

Torts stole it actually

http://mindsetonline.com Really good read for all you wanna be coaches out there.

Burrows has always brought much more to the team than merely what the statistics show (although those are actually a pretty decent reflection nonetheless). He's the consummate team/heart and soul type player. He pretty much brings it every night, whether it's with his edgy-abrasive style, working his ass off and drawing penalties, providing great forechecking, and of course being productive offensively. There is NO way we would get fair value for a guy like Burrows. There are just way too many intangibles involved.
- Zogg

A new GM has to get past this line of thinking. Sometimes the best thing for the future of the team is removing one element so that a new element can be introduced. Not that I'm advocating for getting rid of Burrows because I love what he brings, but from a "value" perspective, he didn't "cost" anything so whatever you get in exchange is actually a win.

So we should move the Sedins Burrows Kesler Higgins Hansen Booth
- VANTEL

Ya lets bring in more players that struggle to score, makes sense…right?

We have some very good pieces to move forward with; change is definitely upon us though. Despite what some may think, several players possess value around the league IMO.

Kesler being the most sought-after player I would think, Edler holding the second most value; I'm looking forward to the changes, much like last summer. Only this time I hope they actually do it…unlike Mike Gillis.

Ya lets bring in more players that struggle to score, makes sense…right?
- LeftCoaster

The difference is Sutter has a game high 12 games where he did not score and cost his team 2 mil . He also plastered other teams top lines asses to the boards much like Burrows did when he entered the league . His duties were mainly third line shut down because Pittsburg have Crosby and Malkin ahead of him in the offensive role.

Danny went 23 games without scoring ,got 6.1 mil and his focus was to be scoring points and defensively responsible. he didn't bring shut down hockey or plaster other teams top lines to the boards, and he didn't produce.

I think if you put any Sutter in a more offensive role they would concentrate on the scoring part.

We have some very good pieces to move forward with; change is definitely upon us though. Despite what some may think, several players possess value around the league IMO.

Kesler being the most sought-after player I would think, Edler holding the second most value; I'm looking forward to the changes, much like last summer. Only this time I hope they actually do it…unlike Mike Gillis.
- LeftCoaster

But Lefty both players have come out and said publicly they don't want to go anywhere.

Kesler said his kids are born here. This is the only city he has lived in outside of Michigan. He loves it here. He said his teammates have helped him through a really rough time with all the trade rumours.

Edler has said I am not waiving.

So we may really not have some very nice pieces in play.

But Lefty both players have come out and said publicly they don't want to go anywhere.

Kesler said his kids are born here. This is the only city he has lived in outside of Michigan. He loves it here.

Edler has said I am not waiving.

So we may really not have some very nice pieces in play.
- VANTEL

And yet he (Kesler) was still willing to give a list of places that he'd be willing to go to, it's just not as black and white as your making it out to be. IMO Kesler would be open to moving, so would Edler given the right circumstances…I guess we'll see how it plays out.

There's always the waiver wire with players, last resort, they wouldn't make it through, some last place team would absolutely claim them. Therefore you don't have that salary in the minors.

The difference is Sutter has a game high 12 games where he did not score and cost his team 2 mil . He also plastered other teams top lines asses to the boards much like Burrows did when he entered the league . His duties were mainly third line shut down because Pittsburg have Crosby and Malkin ahead of him in the offensive role.

Danny went 23 games without scoring ,got 6.1 mil and his focus was to be scoring points and defensively responsible. he didn't bring shut down hockey or plaster other teams top lines to the boards, and he didn't produce.

I think if you put any Sutter in a more offensive role they would concentrate on the scoring part.
- VANTEL

Shawn Mathhias = Brandon Sutter - why on God's green earth do we need another player like that?

It's funny to watch you guys bicker over who should be moved. As long as the coach continues to misuse / miscast his players... This team is going NOWHERE.

Too many times they have shipped players out that have flourished elsewhere. This team needs a REAL Coach. One who studies his players and puts them in position to succeed instead of FAILURE. A coach that gets every guy to buy in and believe.

John Tortorella may be a great person, but he's a lousy failure as a coach.

The only thing I give him credit for is backing Jensen up for trying to hold the line and coughing up the puck trying to make a play BUT, if he wasn't trying to save his job-- He would have RIPPED Jensen a new one and buried him in Utica.
- rugdnit

This!!!
Every single word!

And yet he was still willing to give a list of places that he'd be willing to go to, it's just not as black and white as your making it out to be. IMO Kesler would be open to moving, so would Edler given the right circumstances…I guess we'll see how it plays out.

There's always the waiver wire with players, last resort, they wouldn't make it through, some last place team would absolutely claim them. Therefore you don't have that salary in the minors.
- LeftCoaster

The list

That list that he asked was supposedly circulated on Twitter by some French reporter out of Montreal. Sounds like to me he is denying there is such a list.

I do believe as the rumour has stated that Gillis did have a trade in place with Pittsburg that was suppose to happen at this draft. That again leads to players you may not be thrilled with.

Give me some names that you think Edler can bring back in return

Which team would both parties agree to and who would you speculate is the return player/s

I honestly think he wants to stay because of the twins, Lack , the Swedish connection on this team.

It's funny to watch you guys bicker over who should be moved. As long as the coach continues to misuse / miscast his players... This team is going NOWHERE.

Too many times they have shipped players out that have flourished elsewhere. This team needs a REAL Coach. One who studies his players and puts them in position to succeed instead of FAILURE. A coach that gets every guy to buy in and believe.

John Tortorella may be a great person, but he's a lousy failure as a coach.

The only thing I give him credit for is backing Jensen up for trying to hold the line and coughing up the puck trying to make a play BUT, if he wasn't trying to save his job-- He would have RIPPED Jensen a new one and buried him in Utica.
- rugdnit

The "coach" has no choice but to miscast his players, he's putting third liners in top six positions because we don't have top six players. That's on Mike Gillis!

That said, I still don't like the way he has the players playing with this chip and chase crap.

The "coach" has no choice but to miscast his players, he's putting third liners in top six positions because we don't have top six players. That's on Mike Gillis!

That said, I still don't like the way he has the players playing with this chip and chase crap.
- LeftCoaster

Was thinking the same, this team is built for 2010/2011r