Edler! Bieska!

Yes meaning I'm on the east coast. Didn't read that way though.
- mdw7413

I would say pretty much everyone knew what you meant.

Our D core should look like this

Hammer - Tanev
Edler - ????
Garrison - ????

Stanton and Bieksa are expendable IMO

I was on the fence with Jason Garrison but he was 5th in scoring on a weak Canucks team. 4.6 mill won't look bad once the cap goes up next offseason.
- Gullzy

He might have been 5th in scoring but the guy is a liability everytime he steps on the ice. He's a terrible skater and everytime he tries to skate backwards he falls down... For a team who shows very little heart at times bieksa has to stay .. A guy who says "if the ships going down ,I'm going down with the ship" is a guy you keep and help with younger players.. If were lucky somehow we unload garrison cuz some team thinks he'll help their PP

Canucks priority should be a puck moving D a tough reliable D and top 4 forward
- VANTEL

Puck moving D- Edler, Hamhuis
Tough reliable D- Garrison, Bieksa

If you had said a smooth skating offensive D like Erhoff (sp?) Who can run the PP , that'd make more sense.

He might have been 5th in scoring but the guy is a liability everytime he steps on the ice. He's a terrible skater and everytime he tries to skate backwards he falls down... For a team who shows very little heart at times bieksa has to stay .. A guy who says "if the ships going down ,I'm going down with the ship" is a guy you keep and help with younger players.. If were lucky somehow we unload garrison cuz some team thinks he'll help their PP
- MaWLz

Garrison played injured all year. The guy is solid when healthy. Under torts everyone was playing in pain or injury.

Our D core should look like this

Hammer - Tanev
Edler - ????
Garrison - ????

Stanton and Bieksa are expendable IMO

I was on the fence with Jason Garrison but he was 5th in scoring on a weak Canucks team. 4.6 mill won't look bad once the cap goes up next offseason.
- Gullzy

Dont agree that Bieksa's expendable. He's the only Captain material on this team as far as I'm concerned... Whether he's wearing the C or not, I want his gritty leadership here to mentor the youth movement. Henrik's passive/silent/uninspiring take on leadership may work for him, but its the last example I want set for the next gen of Canucks tbh. I think the right side of our D is set for a while with Tanev/Bieksa/Corrado. Send Garrison & Edler packing.

We don't need to shed them all, get rid of 3-4. We need 6 new faces next year.
- A_SteamingLombardi

You are correct about not needing to trade them all. I'd venture that even just getting rid of Hansen, and Edler would be enough. A good system, coach and moving guys like kassian up and Daniel down should do the trick.

Dont agree that Bieksa's expendable. He's the only Captain material on this team as far as I'm concerned... Whether he's wearing the C or not, I want his gritty leadership here to mentor the youth movement. Henrik's passive/silent/uninspiring take on leadership may work for him, but its the last example I want set for the next gen of Canucks tbh. I think the right side of our D is set for a while with Tanev/Bieksa/Corrado. Send Garrison & Edler packing.
- DrChristianTroy

I think if he was only quoted as saying that "he'd go down with the ship" I'd be more comfortable with him on the team, but that's not the only thing he's been saying.

There are two things that he has aid that make me uncomfortable with keeping him here, and tell me if I'm reading too much into this:

He's been quoted saying that he will not waive his NTC

He's been quoted as saying that he thinks the core is still good enough

Why is he so afraid to be critical of this team? Everyone's quick to blame torts but has he ever taken some of the blame on himself?

These questions are a cause of concern for me.

Our D core should look like this

Hammer - Tanev
Edler - ????
Garrison - ????

Stanton and Bieksa are expendable IMO

I was on the fence with Jason Garrison but he was 5th in scoring on a weak Canucks team. 4.6 mill won't look bad once the cap goes up next offseason.
- Gullzy

Out of all our D he would be the last one to go.

Dont agree that Bieksa's expendable. He's the only Captain material on this team as far as I'm concerned... Whether he's wearing the C or not, I want his gritty leadership here to mentor the youth movement. Henrik's passive/silent/uninspiring take on leadership may work for him, but its the last example I want set for the next gen of Canucks tbh. I think the right side of our D is set for a while with Tanev/Bieksa/Corrado. Send Garrison & Edler packing.
- DrChristianTroy

Couldn't agree more as I said in a post above

Dont agree that Bieksa's expendable. He's the only Captain material on this team as far as I'm concerned... Whether he's wearing the C or not, I want his gritty leadership here to mentor the youth movement. Henrik's passive/silent/uninspiring take on leadership may work for him, but its the last example I want set for the next gen of Canucks tbh. I think the right side of our D is set for a while with Tanev/Bieksa/Corrado. Send Garrison & Edler packing.
- DrChristianTroy

Wow I don't usually agree with you but yes to all of this. Bieksa is a heart and soul guy. Exactly the guy you want mentoring.

Dont agree that Bieksa's expendable. He's the only Captain material on this team as far as I'm concerned... Whether he's wearing the C or not, I want his gritty leadership here to mentor the youth movement. Henrik's passive/silent/uninspiring take on leadership may work for him, but its the last example I want set for the next gen of Canucks tbh. I think the right side of our D is set for a while with Tanev/Bieksa/Corrado. Send Garrison & Edler packing.
- DrChristianTroy

So true.
I've had enough of Swedish captains. We can hope & dream that Henrik gives it up to Bieska.

I think if he was only quoted as saying that "he'd go down with the ship" I'd be more comfortable with him on the team, but that's not the only thing he's been saying.

There are two things that he has aid that make me uncomfortable with keeping him here, and tell me if I'm reading too much into this:

He's been quoted saying that he will not waive his NTC

He's been quoted as saying that he thinks the core is still good enough

Why is he so afraid to be critical of this team? Everyone's quick to blame torts but has he ever taken some of the blame on himself?

These questions are a cause of concern for me.
- Gullzy

I'd be more worried if he threw his teammates under the bus or blamed the coach (who's still here and probably not going anywhere until a new GM is hired). Of course he's going to say he's not going to waive his NTC, why would he, do you want someone who'd say yep, I think the core sucks, it's the coaches fault and I'll waive my NTC to get out of here? That kind of player is a cancer in the locker room, no matter if you agree with the sentiment privately that the team's core needs to be changed, or that the coach needs to go, you never say that out loud if you ever want to play in the NHL again.

That sort of thing is a career-killer and no coach or teammate will ever trust you if you do that. See Sean Avery if you want an example of someone who's been persona non grata-ed by the NHL for running his mouth about players, teammates and coaches (or T.O./Chad Occocinco/etc in the NFL)

EDIT: As for why he's never taken blame for the season, I believe he has said numerous times that his play wasn't good enough. I don't get the hate for Bieksa, of all the D-men, he along with Tanev and Hamhuis were not the goats back there. The whole team had a down year and that has more to do with the system the coach put into play and the lack of ability and/or talent the roster had to adapt and implement it successfully.

So true.
I've had enough of Swedish captains. We can hope & dream that Henrik gives it up to Bieska.
- Marwood

I like that his type of fire. Fire. This team needs fire. Not Torts type of fire though lets hope that ship has sunk.

Puck moving D- Edler, Hamhuis
Tough reliable D- Garrison, Bieksa

If you had said a smooth skating offensive D like Erhoff (sp?) Who can run the PP , that'd make more sense.
- kaptaan

Gawd that is sad.

I will give Bieksa tough when needed, but Hamhuis and Edler as puck moving

Garrison as reliable tough

Dont agree that Bieksa's expendable. He's the only Captain material on this team as far as I'm concerned... Whether he's wearing the C or not, I want his gritty leadership here to mentor the youth movement. Henrik's passive/silent/uninspiring take on leadership may work for him, but its the last example I want set for the next gen of Canucks tbh. I think the right side of our D is set for a while with Tanev/Bieksa/Corrado. Send Garrison & Edler packing.
- DrChristianTroy

Amen brother. This should be gospel

If I'm the new GM.....

Out:

Kesler
Edler
Hansen

I'm keeping the sedins as first liners for one more year. I'm playing kassian and Jensen top 6 minutes. (frank), I'm even making Schroeder my 2nd line center....I start horvat out as my 4LC and slowly bring him along. Fill in the gaps with free agents and prospects from shipping out the aforementioned guys.

It'll be a rocky year but the experience will be invaluable for the young guys and an opportunity to snag mcdavid or eichel makes it worth it.....

You are correct about not needing to trade them all. I'd venture that even just getting rid of Hansen, and Edler would be enough. A good system, coach and moving guys like kassian up and Daniel down should do the trick.
- kaptaan

We were 25 th. I get awestruck when I see comments like this. We need a tweak so we can move from 25 to 20 th. People have got to get rid of this homerism . We were the 3 rd worst team in 2014. No tweaking could ever set that right .

Get out the dynamite and blow this (frank)er out of the water.

If I'm the new GM.....

Out:

Kesler
Edler
Hansen

I'm keeping the sedins as first liners for one more year. I'm playing kassian and Jensen top 6 minutes. (frank), I'm even making Schroeder my 2nd line center....I start horvat out as my 4LC and slowly bring him along. Fill in the gaps with free agents and prospects from shipping out the aforementioned guys.

It'll be a rocky year but the experience will be invaluable for the young guys and an opportunity to snag mcdavid or eichel makes it worth it.....
- chompsey

Agree with most.I have given up on the Schroeder bus , the rest is mostly true.

Hansen wasn't deployed correctly - he was bounced around from line to line and his roles seemed to change from game to game. He's comfortable on the third line and very much excels in that role. Only a short while ago he was Canucks unsung hero nominee. He's only 28, extremely fast, great forechecker, fantastic on the PK, and also has offensive abilities. I guess he needs to also drive the team bus now.

Hansen wasn't deployed correctly - he was bounced around from line to line and his roles seemed to change from game to game. He's comfortable on the third line and very much excels in that role. Only a short while ago he was Canucks unsung hero nominee. He's only 28, extremely fast, great forechecker, fantastic on the PK, and also has offensive abilities.
- Zogg

Doesn't matter . We like Hansen but this is a chance to get a get out of jail free card and move a NTC for a third line player which are a dime a dozen.

Agree with most.I have given up on the Schroeder bus , the rest is mostly true.
- VANTEL

He has no trade value so I'm saying throw him in the pool and let him sink or swim......

Doesn't matter . We like Hansen but this is a chance to get a get out of jail free card and move a NTC for a third line player which are a dime a dozen.
- VANTEL

Really? care to name a few that have the same skill-set as Hansen? I didn't say Hansen was a third-liner, I said he's most comfortable on the third line; however, he brings much more than your average third-line player

He has no trade value so I'm saying throw him in the pool and let him sink or swim......
- chompsey

Could leave him down on the Comets and call him up when a player is injured

I don't see the Canucks re qualifying him.

Really? care to name a few that have the same skill-set as Hansen? I didn't say Hansen was a third-liner, I said he's most comfortable on the third line; however, he brings much more than your average third-line player
- Zogg

Shaw Saad Clutterbuck Downie Abdekeder Roussell Torres Goc (Cassels wil be one) .Just about every team has third liners that are tenacious and can't score.