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justahockeyguy2
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 06.05.2013

Apr 18 @ 7:41 PM ET
I now don't mind the idea of getting knocked out in round 1
- Flyersgod



Is it bad that I picked them to lose in my pool?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 18 @ 7:42 PM ET
Gus is our Nodl of Defense.
- FlyerGuy



He is
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 18 @ 7:42 PM ET
Is there any reliable stat? Why do they even use stats if they're so insignificant?
- PhillySportsGuy


Stats like Corsi and Zone entry stats can tell you what happened. But they can't tell you why it happened. And that's where the problems come in, such as confirmation bias, and causation vs. confirmation. IMO They can't and shouldn't be used to rate players.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 18 @ 7:42 PM ET
We've been lying to you for years. You're name isn't even Eric. We just haven't wanted to confront this.
- PhillySportsGuy


Hmm, that actually explains a lot
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 18 @ 7:42 PM ET
Perhaps but Poile is going to ask for Voracek, Couturier, Coburn and Morin and probably a 1st as well. They ain't making that deal
- BiggE


He meant Chris Webber
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 18 @ 7:43 PM ET
Zone entries are sometimes a "team" thing, (like you previously mentioned), if a team doesn't send the puck in & forecheck enough, our defenseman will be caught flat footed at the line far too often.

Like what happened to us last night, we failed to get the puck in deep & never pressured them, hence guys like Nash, Hagelin, Zuccarello, etc, hit our blue line like a track meet.

- puckhead17


Absolutely!
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 18 @ 7:43 PM ET
That sucks. I got mine playing football with friends. I remember just having to sit out of school for a few days.
- PhillySportsGuy

I've had 3, all from hockey.

First 2 were just meh- played again in a week. A little foggy for the rest of the night and day after, then subsided.

3rd one though...dumped the puck in as I gained the red line to change, turned around, took a stride and a half...BOOM forearm to the head, and on my way down everything was bright orange.

Then I hit my head on the ice and I don't remember anything much after that until the next morning.

Got hit on a Friday night, tried to go to school on Monday...that wasn't happening. Walked right into the nurse's office and was like yo I need to go home- I have a concussion. Nurse didn't buy it and told me to lay down...I told her if I lay down, I'll throw up. Then told her to just call my mom and have her get me because life was spinning faster than it is when I get poopfaced drunk.

Told me to lay down again.

K boss.

Threw up in 4 seconds....she called my mom. Missed the next 3 days of school. Man that was horrible. I threw up like 6 times from that (frank)ing concussion. Light was my worst enemy.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 18 @ 7:43 PM ET
He meant Chris Webber
- PhillySportsGuy


ohh, well Rosehill and a 4th should land him!
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 18 @ 7:45 PM ET
That sucks. I got mine playing football with friends. I remember just having to sit out of school for a few days.
- PhillySportsGuy


I've had 3 concussions.

Knocked unconscious when I was horse collared in a 3 on 3 football match.
Less than a week later I was destroyed in a hockey game and knocked unconscious again. Didn't miss a game.

Few years back I drank a ton, took some prescription medicine, blacked out, and smashed my skull on a sidewalk. When I woke up, I was married and had a child. That was yesterday....
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 18 @ 7:45 PM ET
I've had 3, all from hockey.

First 2 were just meh- played again in a week. A little foggy for the rest of the night and day after, then subsided.

3rd one though...dumped the puck in as I gained the red line to change, turned around, took a stride and a half...BOOM forearm to the head, and on my way down everything was bright orange.

Then I hit my head on the ice and I don't remember anything much after that until the next morning.

Got hit on a Friday night, tried to go to school on Monday...that wasn't happening. Walked right into the nurse's office and was like yo I need to go home- I have a concussion. Nurse didn't buy it and told me to lay down...I told her if I lay down, I'll throw up. Then told her to just call my mom and have her get me because life was spinning faster than it is when I get poopfaced drunk.

Told me to lay down again.

K boss.

Threw up in 4 seconds....she called my mom. Missed the next 3 days of school. Man that was horrible. I threw up like 6 times from that (frank)ing concussion. Light was my worst enemy.

- Giroux_Is_God


Dude, that sucks!
If I'm gonna hurl at least let me enjoy the heavy drinking, illegal drug use and sex with a stranger first!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 18 @ 7:46 PM ET
Absolutely!

- MJL


Thats why they use it relative to other players on the same team. If one defenseman on the Flyers has a much higher rate of allowing entries than all other defenseman then it means something.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Apr 18 @ 7:46 PM ET
I've had 3 concussions.

Knocked unconscious when I was horse collared in a 3 on 3 football match.
Less than a week later I was destroyed in a hockey game and knocked unconscious again. Didn't miss a game.

Few years back I drank a ton, took some prescription medicine, blacked out, and smashed my skull on a sidewalk. When I woke up, I was married and had a child. That was yesterday....

- Flyersgod


the most painful one of all, (drum roll)
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 18 @ 7:46 PM ET
Is it bad that I picked them to lose in my pool?
- justahockeyguy2


Nah, teams don't magically learn to play other teams at the end of the season. Rangers have our number right now. Fact of life. The Devils had our number for a long long time, and that ended the last time we got knocked out by them (because they lost a majority of their team).

FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Apr 18 @ 7:47 PM ET
all of this concussion talk reminds me how clueless everyone was just 15 or 20 years ago. I still remember hearing sports radio stuff about Lindros, and how he had to suck it up and play.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 18 @ 7:47 PM ET
I've had 3, all from hockey.

First 2 were just meh- played again in a week. A little foggy for the rest of the night and day after, then subsided.

3rd one though...dumped the puck in as I gained the red line to change, turned around, took a stride and a half...BOOM forearm to the head, and on my way down everything was bright orange.

Then I hit my head on the ice and I don't remember anything much after that until the next morning.

Got hit on a Friday night, tried to go to school on Monday...that wasn't happening. Walked right into the nurse's office and was like yo I need to go home- I have a concussion. Nurse didn't buy it and told me to lay down...I told her if I lay down, I'll throw up. Then told her to just call my mom and have her get me because life was spinning faster than it is when I get poopfaced drunk.

Told me to lay down again.

K boss.

Threw up in 4 seconds....she called my mom. Missed the next 3 days of school. Man that was horrible. I threw up like 6 times from that (frank)ing concussion. Light was my worst enemy.

- Giroux_Is_God


I sat in my basement in the complete dark.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 18 @ 7:47 PM ET
the most painful one of all, (drum roll)
- puckhead17


Ha! Child #2 on the way now and the 45k a year job isn't going to cut it! 31 and going back to college, sort of a pain in the ass.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 18 @ 7:48 PM ET
I sat in my basement in the complete dark.
- PhillySportsGuy


All trolls do!
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 18 @ 7:48 PM ET
all of this concussion talk reminds me how clueless everyone was just 15 or 20 years ago. I still remember hearing sports radio stuff about Lindros, and how he had to suck it up and play.
- FlyerGuy

Yup. It's not good.

That's how you develop brain abnormalities in you 40s. I'm looking at you Mohammad Ali
justahockeyguy2
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 06.05.2013

Apr 18 @ 7:48 PM ET
I've had 3, all from hockey.

First 2 were just meh- played again in a week. A little foggy for the rest of the night and day after, then subsided.

3rd one though...dumped the puck in as I gained the red line to change, turned around, took a stride and a half...BOOM forearm to the head, and on my way down everything was bright orange.

Then I hit my head on the ice and I don't remember anything much after that until the next morning.

Got hit on a Friday night, tried to go to school on Monday...that wasn't happening. Walked right into the nurse's office and was like yo I need to go home- I have a concussion. Nurse didn't buy it and told me to lay down...I told her if I lay down, I'll throw up. Then told her to just call my mom and have her get me because life was spinning faster than it is when I get poopfaced drunk.

Told me to lay down again.

K boss.

Threw up in 4 seconds....she called my mom. Missed the next 3 days of school. Man that was horrible. I threw up like 6 times from that (frank)ing concussion. Light was my worst enemy.

- Giroux_Is_God



k boss. LMAO .. thats brutal though dude. Luckily Ive never suffered one.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 18 @ 7:49 PM ET
all of this concussion talk reminds me how clueless everyone was just 15 or 20 years ago. I still remember hearing sports radio stuff about Lindros, and how he had to suck it up and play.
- FlyerGuy


I know. I got mine 10 years ago and, even then, major sports leagues were fairly casual about them.

I was thinking "How can athletes get hit like this and return to play?"
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 18 @ 7:49 PM ET
Yup. It's not good.

That's how you develop brain abnormalities in you 40s. I'm looking at you Mohammad Ali

- Giroux_Is_God


There are a lot of boxers who don't have any brain problems at all later in life. So it's a complex injury.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 18 @ 7:49 PM ET
No idea they haven't said anything about it.
- ob18


Are they trying to set up his one timer?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 18 @ 7:50 PM ET
I sat in my basement in the complete dark.
- PhillySportsGuy

Me too...not even kidding.

I watched TV/played video games on the lowest brightness possible towards the tail end of my bedriddenness but before that I just slept all day
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Apr 18 @ 7:50 PM ET
Thats why they use it relative to other players on the same team. If one defenseman on the Flyers has a much higher rate of allowing entries than all other defenseman then it means something.
- PhillySportsGuy


Also, in relation to blocking shots vs possession stats, when Torts manned the Rag's all they did was block shots, all night long.
So there possession stats waned significantly.
puckhead17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Old Time Hockey
Joined: 08.14.2011

Apr 18 @ 7:51 PM ET
Edit this or you'll be banned.
- PhillySportsGuy


at least there is no cleavage in his avatar
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