But there is more than just corsi to advanced stats. That is one of dozens. There is all kinds of useful information to be had out there. None of it taken as a "truth" on its own but when you look at a bunch of it all together is extremely useful. Corsi, Fenwick, zone starts, shooting%, WOWY, On ice sv%, quality of competition and on and on. Tons of great info.
- Iggysbff

Oh I know, I actually wanna learn more about it.

Anyone who causes an accident that (frank)s up a major highway on a long weekend should be (frank)ing summarily beheaded at the side of the road (frank)

is the answer when you don't know. Which you don't. Since the Olympic break Gardiner made Toronto better.
- honesthockey

Thats not what they are saying genius!

Since the Olympic break Gardiner performed the best on the team. Just because you cant admit that doesnt mean its wrong. The rest of the team sucked. period.

I see a lot of interesting stuff on twitter.. American Airlines has some good tweets
- Arctic_AARDVARK

you can park a plane in there.

Oh I know, I actually wanna learn more about it.
- ClarksonDavid

One of the best I like is Vollmans player usage charts. Plots players relative to each other and you can see lots of relevant info in one snapshot.

http://www.hockeyabstract.com/playerusagecharts

Thats not what they are saying genius!

Since the Olympic break Gardiner performed the best on the team. Just because you cant admit that doesnt mean its wrong. The rest of the team sucked. period.
- Iggysbff

So goals and assists are the marker for who's performed the best on the team. Ok got it.

Anyone who causes an accident that (frank)s up a major highway on a long weekend should be (frank)ing summarily beheaded at the side of the road (frank)
- Zezel

sons of b*tches

Team A takes 10 shots from the blueline. All are blocked at the top of the circle. Team B has three breakaways scores on all three.

Yeah Corsi
- honesthockey

You wanna deal in extremes that's fantastic. Go nuts. Stats deal in reality. Outright dismissing them makes you look like a fool.

Dead serious!!
- honesthockey

http://www.extraskater.co...oals_pct&sit=all&team=tor

Draws more penalties than he takes (+6) and has a GF% of 51.6% (51.6% of goals when he's on the ice are for the good guys)... as a match Subban is -10 and 47.5%).

Decent shooting percentage of 7.4%

Highest Corsi for % of any Leaf D

Positive PDO of 101.6%, we make more saves than the other team when he's on the ice. This means that as many brain cramps he has, he makes up for it on average at the other end.

well then, here's the answer

he's part of the maple leafs organization and the coaching staff feels that he belongs on the team

i have the same question about rosehill and downie, but unfortunately i have no say in who plays and who sits
- Flyfreaky

Uncharacteristically, Carlyle made a thinly veiled jab at Jake Gardiner — identifying him as a “young defenceman” who favoured “rover-type of hockey” earlier in the season. Carlyle spoke of differing realities; of how Gardiner had perceived his leash too short when the coaching staff considered it too long; of how Gardiner had an outsized opinion of his skill set; of how, if the coach had to do it over, he would have laid down the law from the get-go and demanded a less risky style of play.

Even Carlyle now admitting his mistake.

Absolutely. Wrong guy with the puck. The goals for would have tripled allowing for wins. Gardiner with the puck means real point producers without. I know you struggle with that. It's the affect overall. But hey Corsi says that you can't use that.
- honesthockey

14 GF, 13 GA at 5v5 with Gardiner, 39 GF 61 GA without Gardiner at 5v5 is all I have to say.

Uncharacteristically, Carlyle made a thinly veiled jab at Jake Gardiner — identifying him as a “young defenceman” who favoured “rover-type of hockey” earlier in the season. Carlyle spoke of differing realities; of how Gardiner had perceived his leash too short when the coaching staff considered it too long; of how Gardiner had an outsized opinion of his skill set; of how, if the coach had to do it over, he would have laid down the law from the get-go and demanded a less risky style of play.

Even Carlyle now admitting his mistake.
- honesthockey

that's what i'm saying, maybe rc or if fired the new coach will have a different approach with jakeg

i personally think he should be moved to wing

get a (frank)ing room or a barn you 2 geezus

So goals and assists are the marker for who's performed the best on the team. Ok got it.
- honesthockey

Again. You are acting like a 6 year old and refusing to see whats right in front of you. What a sad sad person you are....

http://www.extraskater.com/players/dashboard?pos=D&min_gp=1&season=2013&sort=goals_pct&sit=all&team=tor

Draws more penalties than he takes (+6) and has a GF% of 51.6% (51.6% of goals when he's on the ice are for the good guys)... as a match Subban is -10 and 47.5%).

Decent shooting percentage of 7.4%

Highest Corsi for % of any Leaf D

Positive PDO of 101.6%, we make more saves than the other team when he's on the ice. This means that as many brain cramps he has, he makes up for it on average at the other end.



- lumlums

Good call.

Explain it then?
- honesthockey

He can't right now or go further into it,

Stop the insults people.

http://www.extraskater.com/players/dashboard?pos=D&min_gp=1&season=2013&sort=goals_pct&sit=all&team=tor

Draws more penalties than he takes (+6) and has a GF% of 51.6% (51.6% of goals when he's on the ice are for the good guys)... as a match Subban is -10 and 47.5%).

Decent shooting percentage of 7.4%

Highest Corsi for % of any Leaf D

Positive PDO of 101.6%, we make more saves than the other team when he's on the ice. This means that as many brain cramps he has, he makes up for it on average at the other end.



- lumlums

First part. Where does it take into consideration who his linemates are, who he is on against, what the score is?

Second part. Great puts him at 14th on the team. Rangers has a 10.2%.

Third part. Best corsi based on what?

Fourth part. Again who's he on the ice with and against? It's a convoluted +/-.

Fifth part. Again doesnt produce wins.

You Corsi guys wanna argue percentages yet refuse to acknowledge the key percentage of wins and loses.

Which is more important?

Again. You are acting like a 6 year old and refusing to see whats right in front of you. What a sad sad person you are....
- Iggysbff

Again I'm pointing out facts. We lose more when he plays more. His points are meaningless.

First part. Where does it take into consideration who his linemates are, who he is on against, what the score is?

Second part. Great puts him at 14th on the team. Rangers has a 10.2%.

Third part. Best corsi based on what?

Fourth part. Again who's he on the ice with and against? It's a convoluted +/-.
- honesthockey

weak

Again I'm pointing out facts. We lose more when he plays more. His points are meaningless.
- honesthockey

Stats say that when he is on the ice he's helping more than hurting.

Stats say that when he is on the ice he's helping more than hurting.
- ClarksonDavid

No they don't. Wins and loses.

weak
- twiztedmike

Weak how? Is hockey not a team sport?

Uncharacteristically, Carlyle made a thinly veiled jab at Jake Gardiner — identifying him as a “young defenceman” who favoured “rover-type of hockey” earlier in the season. Carlyle spoke of differing realities; of how Gardiner had perceived his leash too short when the coaching staff considered it too long; of how Gardiner had an outsized opinion of his skill set; of how, if the coach had to do it over, he would have laid down the law from the get-go and demanded a less risky style of play.

Even Carlyle now admitting his mistake.
- honesthockey

Please find me where it states the bolded. I'm looking for verbatim, not extrapolated... I listened in and never heard Carlyle say the bolded.

First part. Where does it take into consideration who his linemates are, who he is on against, what the score is?

Second part. Great puts him at 14th on the team. Rangers has a 10.2%.

Third part. Best corsi based on what?

Fourth part. Again who's he on the ice with and against? It's a convoluted +/-.

Fifth part. Again doesnt produce wins.

You Corsi guys wanna argue percentages yet refuse to acknowledge the key percentage of wins and loses.

Which is more important?
- honesthockey

His linemates, mainly franson, did much worse.

What's the stats do is help apportion how much of the wins and losses (almost constant throughout) can be put on whom. Everybody lost when Jake lost

Sorry guys but you needed a time out.