You're the one who keeps bringing that up, want to blame someone for sarcastically yapping about it, blame yourself.

I don't care where they traded them to, I know quite a few of us saw this as third or fourth in the conference as fool's gold, why keep these players if you're not going to use them as part of the future especially on a team that in no way is in contention for a cup?
- LeafMan

Does someone need a hug today?

I was one of several here who could see the flaws in the Leafs this year, but nobody predicted the epic poop-show collapse.

Keeping Kulemin and Raymond (you wouldn't have received jack for them) was the right thing to do at the time. Criticizing Nonis now is just 20/20 hindsight, and quite frankly not fair.

now if u want to go back and say i told ya so.

i told you guys that buying out grabovski was a bad idea and we should have got rid of carlyle instead.

so all you haters out there can enjoy that.

grabo scored last night just as we were eliminated.
- big_dion

And grabo would have helped us how?
I like him....but not sure he would have altered anything.
So if that is the only I told you so you can claim to........you should probably not post it

Because management thought they could win a round if they made the playoffs.
Not difficult.
The experience would have been worth the loss of a 3rd or 4th rounder.
- Fakepartofme

Experience to players that are not part of the future? They had their experience last year and it didn't help them this year, team needs to reevaluate their core.

Because management thought they could win a round if they made the playoffs.
Not difficult.
The experience would have been worth the loss of a 3rd or 4th rounder.
- Fakepartofme

the experience for who? the guys we are not resigning next season?

why not make the playoffs with guys you plan to keep, if not, you build and move forward.

losing in 4 games in the playoffs doesnt garnish too much experience.

grabo doesnt fit here, but clarkson does.

everyone asking to trade kadri
and bolland is our 4th, sorry 3rd line saviour? yeah, i can skate as fast as the guy.

this being said. what centers do fit toronto mold?

bozak? lol the guys a third liner, 2nd at best, absolute best...but yet were ok with it cause thats phils buddy...so phil will never reach his max potential, but wel be happy cause hes scoring 30+ with flowzak.
- big_dion

I am so in love with this...

Does someone need a hug today?

I was one of several here who could see the flaws in the Leafs this year, but nobody predicted the epic poop-show collapse. Keeping Kulemin and Raymond (you wouldn't have received jack for them) was the right thing to do at the time. Criticizing Nonis now is just 20/20 hindsight, and quite frankly not fair.
- Atomic Wedgie

well.


Actually.

After the Olympics when everyone was saying they were a lock for the playoffs, I did say there was still plenty of time for the leafs to collaspe and completely F up.

Just saying

So now that you guys can't take a leaf 1st overall in a hockey pool...who will you be taking?


- Garnie

Rask.

Quality G in the playoffs is tough to come by. Assuming it's a snake draft, force "the goalie run" early and more great players (skaters) will be available by your 2nd pick.

Kulemin is not a two-way forward.

He had one 30-goal season. Other than that, his normal goal-output is similar to Tie Domi's output.

No, seriously, that's pretty close to the truth. Tie Domi. Look it up.
- Atomic Wedgie

22 years old he had 15, 23 had 16, 24 had 30, then 7 7 9.

Guys scoring more goals when hes super young then all of the sudden stops. If thats not a sign his mentality isn't right, i dont know what is. He plays in Toronto, a (frank) up like that after 30 goal year, you dont recover from here. He'll be at least a 20 goal guy on another team without the spotlight like here.

Experience to players that are not part of the future? They had their experience last year and it didn't help them this year, team needs to reevaluate their core.
- LeafMan

It seems like we are back to where the Leafs always end up: not bad enough to throw up your hands, say enough is enough and gut the team, but not really building towards a championship team, either.

It's the mediocrity that unites us all.

And grabo would have helped us how?
I like him....but not sure he would have altered anything.
So if that is the only I told you so you can claim to........you should probably not post it
- Fakepartofme

i said it was stupid, you dont resign a guy then buy him out the day before his wedding because he and the coach dont get along...

the coach is the problem, not the player.

if you dont want to buy the player out, no problem, do it with class, and do it at the right time.

carlyle depleted all grabovski's worth and then had nonis buy him out.

since when does a under 30 (50+ point center) not get you a 7th rounder even.

PATHETIC.

the experience for who? the guys we are not resigning next season?

why not make the playoffs with guys you plan to keep, if not, you build and move forward.

losing in 4 games in the playoffs doesnt garnish too much experience.
- big_dion

The experience for the core player. Kulemin and Raymond are support players, they can be replaced. Its the experience for the CORE players!
At the time they wouldnt have been in 8th.

What do you not get?

Does someone need a hug today?

I was one of several here who could see the flaws in the Leafs this year, but nobody predicted the epic poop-show collapse.

Keeping Kulemin and Raymond (you wouldn't have received jack for them) was the right thing to do at the time. Criticizing Nonis now is just 20/20 hindsight, and quite frankly not fair.
- Atomic Wedgie

No, no hug.

It wasn't 20/20 hindsight on my part, I said to purge the group well before the deadline and no I didn't see the collapse coming to the extent it did but I knew they could not sustain their wins and position in the standings with the way they were playing defensively.

Now, it is time to reevaluate their core like I said in a previous post.

i said it was stupid, you dont resign a guy then buy him out the day before his wedding because he and the coach dont get along...

the coach is the problem, not the player.

if you dont want to buy the player out, no problem, do it with class, and do it at the right time.

carlyle depleted all grabovski's worth and then had nonis buy him out.

since when does a under 30 (50+ point center) not get you a 7th rounder even.

PATHETIC.
- big_dion

I dont disagree with the above at all. But he wouldnt have changed much for the leafs.
Maybe would have added some heart....which the team lacks.
Again, I do like Grabo.

It seems like we are back to where the Leafs always end up: not bad enough to throw up your hands, say enough is enough and gut the team, but not really building towards a championship team, either.

It's the mediocrity that unites us all.
- Atomic Wedgie

Can't get the association of that word cleansed within the Leafs.

It seems like we are back to where the Leafs always end up: not bad enough to throw up your hands, say enough is enough and gut the team, but not really building towards a championship team, either.

It's the mediocrity that unites us all.
- Atomic Wedgie

it's beautiful....

I dont disagree with the above at all. But he wouldnt have changed much for the leafs.
Maybe would have added some heart....which the team lacks.
Again, I do like Grabo.
- Fakepartofme

maybe he would have changed the team, who knows, what im saying is, if the leafs removed carlyle instead of grabovski, and got a real coach...i think this team would have been better overall.

we still could have had the money and what not to get bolland and bernier...we just wouldnt have had the coin to get clarkson, what a damned shame that is...

grabovski had more goals in his first week as a captial than clarkson had all season as a leaf.

The experience for the core player. Kulemin and Raymond are support players, they can be replaced. Its the experience for the CORE players!
At the time they wouldnt have been in 8th.

What do you not get?
- Fakepartofme

nobody gains experience getting dominated in the first round in 4 games.

It seems like we are back to where the Leafs always end up: not bad enough to throw up your hands, say enough is enough and gut the team, but not really building towards a championship team, either.

It's the mediocrity that unites us all.
- Atomic Wedgie

The middle class mans team

Owned by the rich, ran by the suits, paid for by the blue collars.

Can't get the association of that word cleansed within the Leafs.
- LeafMan

It's not just the Leafs, though. It's a plague that runs through Canada.

It just strikes me as odd that we haven't had the Stanley Cup since 1993.

And what, 4 finalists in that entire time?

Vancouver had some pretty good success and reliability over the past few years, but for the past 20 years, it's been bad more than good.

Edmonton: one lucky run.

Calgary: one lucky run.

Toronto: a couple of years of respectability, but mostly poop-show.

Ottawa: could never raise their game past a certain level.

Montreal: never very bad, but never very good.

WTF?

maybe he would have changed the team, who knows, what im saying is, if the leafs removed carlyle instead of grabovski, and got a real coach...i think this team would have been better overall.

we still could have had the money and what not to get bolland and bernier...we just wouldnt have had the coin to get clarkson, what a damned shame that is...

grabovski had more goals in his first week as a captial than clarkson had all season as a leaf.
- big_dion

RC coached the team to the playoffs for the first time in 8 years.
The team played well defensively
The team at the time was hard to play against.
Outside of a few stupid things he did (allowing Dion in a shoot out and the treatment of Grabo), there was no reason to remove RC. Even though Im not a fan of his.

Althought I did say the leafs played above themselves last year and that they wouldnt have been able to play as well as they did over 82 games. Again, people scoffed at this.

maybe he would have changed the team, who knows, what im saying is, if the leafs removed carlyle instead of grabovski, and got a real coach...i think this team would have been better overall.

we still could have had the money and what not to get bolland and bernier...we just wouldnt have had the coin to get clarkson, what a damned shame that is...

grabovski had more goals in his first week as a captial than clarkson had all season as a leaf.
- big_dion

nobody gains experience getting dominated in the first round in 4 games.
- big_dion

Holy Fack!
At the time of the deadline, I dont believe they were expecting to finish 8th.

JESUS!!!

because guys like kulemin/raymond are not comign back next year and we could have sold at least Raymond high, kule does hold some value as a decent 2 way player who has had some success putting the puck in the net.

this team was 100% never going to win the cup since day 1 of pre season, if you didnt know that well then you forgot about chicago, LA, pitty, anaheim, etc.
- big_dion

Get your emotions in check.

nobody gains experience getting dominated in the first round in 4 games.
- big_dion

just like we were swept last year, right?

And you know what? Even if you are swept, that's 4 more games of seeing what it takes to be the team that does the sweeping first hand.



But if you think there's no experience to be gained from a sweep, why weaken the team? Why not keep the guys you have, so that the guys who will be on the team long-term have better chance at getting more experience?

Why trade away the UFAs and bring up prospects if they're not going to get any valuable experience anyways?


Seriously, none of what you're arguing makes sense.

The middle class mans team

Owned by the rich, ran by the suits, paid for by the blue collars.
- CanadianBodmon

Oh, thank goodness - I was worried that the working class hero criticism of the Leafs wouldn't show up here.

Yes, it's the evil owners. Why, they care more about money than winning the Stanley Cup!

MLSEL develops real estate! That obviously has a negative effect on the on-ice product!

If this team really wanted to win the Stanley Cup, they would immediately drop the ticket prices by 75%, so that real hockey fans could attend games, and give out free beer!

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