been having that feeling in my shorts for a while now
- hogweed

let's hope it's just some explosive diarrhea coming up.

Best record in the NHL before his death. They were still championship caliber as constructed.
- KINGKENZO

that's right - constructed with him on the roster. you take him off, and add in the emotional toll it took on the team and you have a first round wipe out. also worth noting that 86 was the last season of the first round being a best of 5, and even then they lost in 5. had it been a 7 game series, they might have gotten through. i don't think froese would have outdueled roy in the conference final. lindbergh, yes.

Hagg got his 1st point tonight, an assist.
- Yosimar89

point is a point is a point for D men

that's right - constructed with him on the roster. you take him off, and add in the emotional toll it took on the team and you have a first round wipe out. also worth noting that 86 was the last season of the first round being a best of 5, and even then they lost in 5. had it been a 7 game series, they might have gotten through. i don't think froese would have outdueled roy in the conference final. lindbergh, yes.
- hammarby31

lord, that is just a emotional roller coaster

Was painful when the list was posted.

Even if I give you 86, that's almost 30 years. Not exactly making the case
- Flyersgod

i'm just giving an example of a year they really had the tools to put it all together, and circumstances got in the way, sadly. and if pelle doesn't die, their entire history moving forward is different. it is what it is.

it's disappointing and extremely frustrating to have been a fan all this time and watched them come so close and not win it all. at the same time, i appreciate that the ownership is willing to spend money, wants to win, and runs a top notch organization for the most part. and i appreciate the team having a legitimate chance to make noise more often than not. i can't imagine being an islander fan. sure they had a nice 10 year run, with 4 straight cups. wonderful. they've done virtually nothing since the mid 80s except upset pittsburgh from winning their 3rd cup. almost 3 decades of being a complete joke. that would be agony.

Anyone wanna bet NJ makes the playoffs and we dont?
i wouldnt be surprised if we lose tomorrow. At all.
- FLYERSROCK!

i will take that bet. the flyers will win tomorrow. they will make the playoffs. the devils will not.

that's right - constructed with him on the roster. you take him off, and add in the emotional toll it took on the team and you have a first round wipe out. also worth noting that 86 was the last season of the first round being a best of 5, and even then they lost in 5. had it been a 7 game series, they might have gotten through. i don't think froese would have outdueled roy in the conference final. lindbergh, yes.
- hammarby31

Im not saying they would. He originally said the Flyers havent been capable of building a championship caliber team in 40 years, which we all know is nonsense. I put forth the teams that fit that description is all. Injuries and death have affected the outcome and potential for that to occur but as they were built, they fit the description

winning a championship makes you a championship team
having a realistic chance to win makes you championship caliber(not directed at you Hammar)

i'm just giving an example of a year they really had the tools to put it all together, and circumstances got in the way, sadly. and if pelle doesn't die, their entire history moving forward is different. it is what it is.

it's disappointing and extremely frustrating to have been a fan all this time and watched them come so close and not win it all. at the same time, i appreciate that the ownership is willing to spend money, wants to win, and runs a top notch organization for the most part. and i appreciate the team having a legitimate chance to make noise more often than not. i can't imagine being an islander fan. sure they had a nice 10 year run, with 4 straight cups. wonderful. they've done virtually nothing since the mid 80s except upset pittsburgh from winning their 3rd cup. almost 3 decades of being a complete joke. that would be agony.
- hammarby31

amen

Im not saying they would. He originally said the Flyers havent been capable of building a championship caliber team in 40 years, which we all know is nonsense. I put forth the teams that fit that description is all. Injuries and death have affected the outcome and potential for that to occur but as they were built, they fit the description

winning a championship makes you a championship team
having a realistic chance to win makes you championship caliber(not directed at you Hammar)
- KINGKENZO

noted. we're on the same page here.

I want them to win as a fan. However there are far too many mistakes from management. I don't care how many decent moves Holmgren has made.

Bobrovsky
Bryzgalov
Luke Schenn/JVR
Kubina
LeCavalier
Most expensive D core in the NHL that is far too slow and one dimensional
Reserve to hold judgement on Streit and AMac

Just far too many stupid moves. This team runs on hot streaks and cold streaks which is alright for a growing young team. Problem is, stop making stupid moves that stunt that overall growth.
- flyer_nutter

.
Kubina was a deadline pickup(No big deal)

Bryzgalov was a desperation move since we had to cycle 3 goalies in the playoffs the previous year

Schenn/JVR deal will never look fair just because JVR is a forward. Schenn has played ok in his 2nd season, he will get better.

Lecavlier I agree, at the time I thought it was good but now looking at the roster there is no room for him.

Bobrovsky I liked but Mason has been stellar for Philly. I really don't think Bob is good enough too be a consistent Vezina contender. Basically CBJ got Bob for garbage and Flyers got Mason for garbage. In the end you could consider it Bob for Mason which is even IMO

Streit has been good after a rough start and not sure what I think of MacDonald.

i'm just giving an example of a year they really had the tools to put it all together, and circumstances got in the way, sadly. and if pelle doesn't die, their entire history moving forward is different. it is what it is.

it's disappointing and extremely frustrating to have been a fan all this time and watched them come so close and not win it all. at the same time, i appreciate that the ownership is willing to spend money, wants to win, and runs a top notch organization for the most part. and i appreciate the team having a legitimate chance to make noise more often than not. i can't imagine being an islander fan. sure they had a nice 10 year run, with 4 straight cups. wonderful. they've done virtually nothing since the mid 80s except upset pittsburgh from winning their 3rd cup. almost 3 decades of being a complete joke. that would be agony.
- hammarby31

What can you do though? Your competing against 29 other teams, chances of winning are extremely low. To be battling consistently for the cup is a gift of its own. Winning the cup is all about luck and who ever can get that hot streak going right at the end of the year

The Flyers have been a highly successful franchise, for a very long time. They have not reached the summit for a long time, but they have been very close on several occasions.

In at least three occasions where they were very close, they ran into dynastic teams(Montreal, NY Islanders & Edmonton). There's a fourth that is arguable(Detroit).

Despite this success, there are things that the Flyers have done to hamstring themselves. Hopefully, they rededicate themselves to developing and building a great foundation through the draft. That is how the best teams in the organization's history were assembled.

To sit here and shred them for the "decline" from 2010 is a tricky & slippery slope. Sure there's been mistakes. The trades of Bobrovsky and JvR. The signing of Bryzgalov. But ignoring the career ending injury to Pronger is kind of ignoring a massive factor in the makeup of the current team. If the Flyers have a healthy Pronger, they likely don;t trade for Kubina or Grossmann. they probably hang on to Carle. Perhaps they don't trade for Luke Schenn.

Had Pronger suffered his concussion/eye injury prior to the Richards/Carter trades, I think the returns would have been different. I'm sure that the primary piece coming back wouldn't have been a kid like Schenn, but rather a defenseman. It may have led the Flyers to go with Dougie Hamilton over Sean Couturier or gotten a defenseman instead of Voracek.

Despite Pronger's age, there was little indication that he'd last less than 3 season after the Flyers acquired him. You don't trade what the Flyers traded expecting to get a couple seasons out of a guy, and Pronger wasn't felled by a chronic injury that was a widely known issue(like Derian Hatcher). He suffered a freak injury that would have ended his career whether he was 36 or 22.

Prior to the 12 game deathmarch the Flyers just faced, they were a flawed team that could put together a run. They remain that after the recent down turn to end the 12 game run. The 5 game win streak didn't erase the issues they had before, just like the current skid doesn't erase the good aspects of the team.

One thing this group of players is, is resilient. This is no more than another test, in a long season of them. The Flyers should make the playoffs, and could be a handful for several teams in the east.

Im not saying they would. He originally said the Flyers havent been capable of building a championship caliber team in 40 years, which we all know is nonsense. I put forth the teams that fit that description is all. Injuries and death have affected the outcome and potential for that to occur but as they were built, they fit the description

winning a championship makes you a championship team
having a realistic chance to win makes you championship caliber(not directed at you Hammar)
- KINGKENZO

I never said caliber until someone interjected it.

The Flyers have been a highly successful franchise, for a very long time. They have not reached the summit for a long time, but they have been very close on several occasions.

In at least three occasions where they were very close, they ran into dynastic teams(Montreal, NY Islanders & Edmonton). There's a fourth that is arguable(Detroit).

Despite this success, there are things that the Flyers have done to hamstring themselves. Hopefully, they rededicate themselves to developing and building a great foundation through the draft. That is how the best teams in the organization's history were assembled.

To sit here and shred them for the "decline" from 2010 is a tricky & slippery slope. Sure there's been mistakes. The trades of Bobrovsky and JvR. The signing of Bryzgalov. But ignoring the career ending injury to Pronger is kind of ignoring a massive factor in the makeup of the current team. If the Flyers have a healthy Pronger, they likely don;t trade for Kubina or Grossmann. they probably hang on to Carle. Perhaps they don't trade for Luke Schenn.

Had Pronger suffered his concussion/eye injury prior to the Richards/Carter trades, I think the returns would have been different. I'm sure that the primary piece coming back wouldn't have been a kid like Schenn, but rather a defenseman. It may have led the Flyers to go with Dougie Hamilton over Sean Couturier or gotten a defenseman instead of Voracek.

Despite Pronger's age, there was little indication that he'd last less than 3 season after the Flyers acquired him. You don't trade what the Flyers traded expecting to get a couple seasons out of a guy, and Pronger wasn't felled by a chronic injury that was a widely known issue(like Derian Hatcher). He suffered a freak injury that would have ended his career whether he was 36 or 22.

Prior to the 12 game deathmarch the Flyers just faced, they were a flawed team that could put together a run. They remain that after the recent down turn to end the 12 game run. The 5 game win streak didn't erase the issues they had before, just like the current skid doesn't erase the good aspects of the team.

One thing this group of players is, is resilient. This is no more than another test, in a long season of them. The Flyers should make the playoffs, and could be a handful for several teams in the east.
- Jsaquella

Well said!!!

The Flyers have been a highly successful franchise, for a very long time. They have not reached the summit for a long time, but they have been very close on several occasions.

In at least three occasions where they were very close, they ran into dynastic teams(Montreal, NY Islanders & Edmonton). There's a fourth that is arguable(Detroit).

Despite this success, there are things that the Flyers have done to hamstring themselves. Hopefully, they rededicate themselves to developing and building a great foundation through the draft. That is how the best teams in the organization's history were assembled.

To sit here and shred them for the "decline" from 2010 is a tricky & slippery slope. Sure there's been mistakes. The trades of Bobrovsky and JvR. The signing of Bryzgalov. But ignoring the career ending injury to Pronger is kind of ignoring a massive factor in the makeup of the current team. If the Flyers have a healthy Pronger, they likely don;t trade for Kubina or Grossmann. they probably hang on to Carle. Perhaps they don't trade for Luke Schenn.

Had Pronger suffered his concussion/eye injury prior to the Richards/Carter trades, I think the returns would have been different. I'm sure that the primary piece coming back wouldn't have been a kid like Schenn, but rather a defenseman. It may have led the Flyers to go with Dougie Hamilton over Sean Couturier or gotten a defenseman instead of Voracek.

Despite Pronger's age, there was little indication that he'd last less than 3 season after the Flyers acquired him. You don't trade what the Flyers traded expecting to get a couple seasons out of a guy, and Pronger wasn't felled by a chronic injury that was a widely known issue(like Derian Hatcher). He suffered a freak injury that would have ended his career whether he was 36 or 22.

Prior to the 12 game deathmarch the Flyers just faced, they were a flawed team that could put together a run. They remain that after the recent down turn to end the 12 game run. The 5 game win streak didn't erase the issues they had before, just like the current skid doesn't erase the good aspects of the team.

One thing this group of players is, is resilient. This is no more than another test, in a long season of them. The Flyers should make the playoffs, and could be a handful for several teams in the east.
- Jsaquella

I love you, man

The Flyers have been a highly successful franchise, for a very long time. They have not reached the summit for a long time, but they have been very close on several occasions.

In at least three occasions where they were very close, they ran into dynastic teams(Montreal, NY Islanders & Edmonton). There's a fourth that is arguable(Detroit).

Despite this success, there are things that the Flyers have done to hamstring themselves. Hopefully, they rededicate themselves to developing and building a great foundation through the draft. That is how the best teams in the organization's history were assembled.

To sit here and shred them for the "decline" from 2010 is a tricky & slippery slope. Sure there's been mistakes. The trades of Bobrovsky and JvR. The signing of Bryzgalov. But ignoring the career ending injury to Pronger is kind of ignoring a massive factor in the makeup of the current team. If the Flyers have a healthy Pronger, they likely don;t trade for Kubina or Grossmann. they probably hang on to Carle. Perhaps they don't trade for Luke Schenn.

Had Pronger suffered his concussion/eye injury prior to the Richards/Carter trades, I think the returns would have been different. I'm sure that the primary piece coming back wouldn't have been a kid like Schenn, but rather a defenseman. It may have led the Flyers to go with Dougie Hamilton over Sean Couturier or gotten a defenseman instead of Voracek.

Despite Pronger's age, there was little indication that he'd last less than 3 season after the Flyers acquired him. You don't trade what the Flyers traded expecting to get a couple seasons out of a guy, and Pronger wasn't felled by a chronic injury that was a widely known issue(like Derian Hatcher). He suffered a freak injury that would have ended his career whether he was 36 or 22.

Prior to the 12 game deathmarch the Flyers just faced, they were a flawed team that could put together a run. They remain that after the recent down turn to end the 12 game run. The 5 game win streak didn't erase the issues they had before, just like the current skid doesn't erase the good aspects of the team.

One thing this group of players is, is resilient. This is no more than another test, in a long season of them. The Flyers should make the playoffs, and could be a handful for several teams in the east.
- Jsaquella

Let us see. I would like them to play NY. Its not just the team but the style (close checking, hounding the D, shotblocking) that has given Flyers problems for a while and frustrated G consistently. It will be a good test to see how far they have come (or not come) since the series against the Debs couple of years ago.

If they lose in 5 or less, and get dominated, we will have come full circle and there will be very few answers.

The Flyers have been a highly successful franchise, for a very long time. They have not reached the summit for a long time, but they have been very close on several occasions.

In at least three occasions where they were very close, they ran into dynastic teams(Montreal, NY Islanders & Edmonton). There's a fourth that is arguable(Detroit).

Despite this success, there are things that the Flyers have done to hamstring themselves. Hopefully, they rededicate themselves to developing and building a great foundation through the draft. That is how the best teams in the organization's history were assembled.

To sit here and shred them for the "decline" from 2010 is a tricky & slippery slope. Sure there's been mistakes. The trades of Bobrovsky and JvR. The signing of Bryzgalov. But ignoring the career ending injury to Pronger is kind of ignoring a massive factor in the makeup of the current team. If the Flyers have a healthy Pronger, they likely don;t trade for Kubina or Grossmann. they probably hang on to Carle. Perhaps they don't trade for Luke Schenn.

Had Pronger suffered his concussion/eye injury prior to the Richards/Carter trades, I think the returns would have been different. I'm sure that the primary piece coming back wouldn't have been a kid like Schenn, but rather a defenseman. It may have led the Flyers to go with Dougie Hamilton over Sean Couturier or gotten a defenseman instead of Voracek.

Despite Pronger's age, there was little indication that he'd last less than 3 season after the Flyers acquired him. You don't trade what the Flyers traded expecting to get a couple seasons out of a guy, and Pronger wasn't felled by a chronic injury that was a widely known issue(like Derian Hatcher). He suffered a freak injury that would have ended his career whether he was 36 or 22.

Prior to the 12 game deathmarch the Flyers just faced, they were a flawed team that could put together a run. They remain that after the recent down turn to end the 12 game run. The 5 game win streak didn't erase the issues they had before, just like the current skid doesn't erase the good aspects of the team.

One thing this group of players is, is resilient. This is no more than another test, in a long season of them. The Flyers should make the playoffs, and could be a handful for several teams in the east.
- Jsaquella

word.

and btw, bryz with another goose egg tonight against the pigeons. go bryz.

Name the players?
- MJL

Raffl? Fine I'll give you two on each team

ANA- Selanne/Silverberg
COL- Tanguay/Mcleod
DET- Jurco/Legwand


There's a teaser. Dont feel like doing the rest. But those players I listed are forwards that currently have less points than 9 other forwards on their team.

they did. tough to put 86 in there. sure they still pretty much ran the table after pelle died, but had little left in tank. froese was not going to get it done. if pelle lived, there's a good chance they win it all, even with a rookie roy in the way. stupid management. how dare they not have a lindbergh clone backing him up just in case he died.
- hammarby31

Yes. Let's not forget that the Flyers franchise has suffered losses that no other NHL team has suffered. Freakish and cursed type afflictions.

Pelle dies as he emerges as one of the elite goaltenders in the league.
Lindros - his career ended too soon.
Primeau, ditto.
Pronger.

That's pretty awful. None of those players were remotely replaceable either.

Yes. Let's not forget that the Flyers franchise has suffered losses that no other NHL team has suffered. Freakish and cursed type afflictions.

Pelle dies as he emerges as one of the elite goaltenders in the league.
Lindros - his career ended too soon.
Primeau, ditto.
Pronger.

That's pretty awful. None of those players were remotely replaceable either.
- Pixote Andolini

tertyshny was another. we'll never know how good he cold have been.

Let us see. I would like them to play NY. Its not just the team but the style (close checking, hounding the D, shotblocking) that has given Flyers problems for a while and frustrated G consistently. It will be a good test to see how far they have come (or not come) since the series against the Debs couple of years ago.

If they lose in 5 or less, and get dominated, we will have come full circle and there will be very few answers.
- PT21

There will be many questions, but I wouldn't call it full circle. I'd still like to see this team with a good, mobile defenseman that can skate the puck out of the zone against an aggressive forecheck.

There will be many questions, but I wouldn't call it full circle. I'd still like to see this team with a good, mobile defenseman that can skate the puck out of the zone against an aggressive forecheck.
- Jsaquella

You mean in the first pairing? Because I thought Streit was that guy. And that the forwards need to come back into their zone to take the passes from the D, which they do now, by and large. Its just that it seems everyone thinks they have a few more milliseconds than they do when they are aggressively forechecked. Players slow to react, they have their back turned to receive the pass and by the time it gets to them there is a guy bumping them off, throwing passes around, failing to switch and leaving guys wide open in the slot....that kind of stuff. If that happens again.... we will be pretty close to 360.

I would feel much better about this team's future if they show us they have overcome that hurdle when it counts. For really, on paper they can beat NY, I think. I just don't understand what happens in MSG.

Do you think they are subconsciously playing for 7th?

well, they did trade for kim johnsson who was the very last player drafted in 1994. so there's that.
- hammarby31

Well said!!!
- FlyersFirst

x2

You mean in the first pairing? Because I thought Streit was that guy. And that the forwards need to come back into their zone to take the passes from the D, which they do now, by and large. Its just that it seems everyone thinks they have a few more milliseconds than they do when they are aggressively forechecked. Players slow to react, they have their back turned to receive the pass and by the time it gets to them there is a guy bumping them off, throwing passes around, failing to switch and leaving guys wide open in the slot....that kind of stuff. If that happens again.... we will be pretty close to 360.

I would feel much better about this team's future if they show us they have overcome that hurdle when it counts. For really, on paper they can beat NY, I think. I just don't understand what happens in MSG.

Do you think they are subconsciously playing for 7th?
- PT21

Streit passes the puck well, but he's not a great skater. What I mean is a guy who can literally carry the puck up ice and out skate the forecheck