Disagree - Hasek wasn't proven.
- Irish 14

You're right. He was a complete unknown. So, who's to say that we haven't already made a trade for an impact guy like that already?

Maybe Hunter Fasching turns into that kind of player. It's too soon to say that we haven't already done that. Murray has only been on the job for a few months.

Just in your mind Max, just my opinions. Right or wrong, that's all they are for all of us.
- Irish 14

More than just me if you read the thread . In fact has anyone really agreed with you ? Better find the Squirrel so you have someone to agree with you. I love how you cherry pick peoples posts to find one fact in the total post to make it look like they think like you.

God dammit, the Edmonton excuse for you guys needs to stop. The reason the Edmonton Oilers are still poop after these years of high picks is because of idiotic management. They selected WAY too many offensive players (AKA Yak over Murray), and failed to address their goaltending situation. You want to look at young teams and see how they perform with decent management? Look at Pittsburgh in 08 and 09, with PLENTY of young guys. Chicago's cup winning teams, captained by Toews, led by Kane. Look at Colorado this year. They make Landeskog the youngest captain in NHL history, and look where they are now.

When done properly, the draft is THE best way to get a team back into playoff contention. We seem to be following the correct path, so why the hell do so many people have to be immediately against it?
- LetsGoBuffalo75

I would actually say that the pick they messed up was Hall over Seguin. You almost always should draft the center. It's a much more impactful position.

You add in another top end center to compliment RNH, and things are different for them.

But they definitely haven't been managed very well. That's for sure.

You're right. He was a complete unknown. So, who's to say that we haven't already made a trade for an impact guy like that already?

Maybe Hunter Fasching turns into that kind of player. It's too soon to say that we haven't already done that. Murray has only been on the job for a few months.
- HonkFortheGoose

I agree, no argument here.

I rest my Freakin case:

Hasek & Lafontaine - traded for!!



NEXT
- Irish 14

How do most players enter the NHL? I'll keep waiting because I know this will take you a while. I'll have to give you a hint: it begins with a "d" and ends with a "t."

You slobber all over yourself on all your posts and sound like a prepubescent twit most of the time. Just an observation I've had of you since I first noticed you is you need attention and try to claim you had sources or something back in the day. That was funny.

Edmonton sucked at getting the team around their top picks. After they drafted Hall and RNH, they failed to hit compliment them with a solid bottom 6 or even other veteran top 6 players.

You can't have 19-20 year olds be your best players every..single..game they have too many off nights as kids

More than just me if you read the thread . In fact has anyone really agreed with you ? Better find the Squirrel so you have someone to agree with you. I love how you cherry pick peoples posts to find one fact in the total post to make it look like they think like you.



- Maximum Signal

I don't really know what Squirrel post? All i want is to draft right the next 2years, sign some character FA's and trade for some young Fashing types of player.

I would actually say that the pick they messed up was Hall over Seguin. You almost always should draft the center. It's a much more impactful position.

You add in another top end center to compliment RNH, and things are different for them.

But they definitely haven't been managed very well. That's for sure.
- HonkFortheGoose

IMO Seguin wouldn't have success in EDM. Hall is a much better player than he appears, and I feel he'd be a proper superstar if he was on a competing team. Seguin wasn't 100% a center, either. He went back and forth from C and RW if I am not mistaken. I do agree with you that a C should definitely be picked over a winger, though

How do most players enter the NHL? I'll keep waiting because I know this will take you a while. I'll have to give you a hint: it begins with a "d" and ends with a "t."

You slobber all over yourself on all your posts and sound like a prepubescent twit most of the time. Just an observation I've had of you since I first noticed you is you need attention and try to claim you had sources or something back in the day. That was funny.
- GilPerreault11

Kiss

IMO Seguin wouldn't have success in EDM. Hall is a much better player than he appears, and I feel he'd be a proper superstar if he was on a competing team. Seguin wasn't 100% a center, either. He went back and forth from C and RW if I am not mistaken. I do agree with you that a C should definitely be picked over a winger, though
- LetsGoBuffalo75

Boston had the luxury of putting him on the wing and allowing him to grow. He wouldn't have gotten that type of sheltered play in Edmonton, so you could be right.

Kiss
- Irish 14

Tell us some "inside" stuff like you used to insinuate you had. By the way, how do most players enter the NHL?

I don't really know what Squirrel post? All i want is to draft right the next 2years, sign some character FA's and trade for some young Fashing types of player.
- Irish 14

This is exactly what we are saying. Do you feel that we want the Sabres to tank like 5 years in a row? After the McDavid draft, I don't want us tanking, that's for sure. I love the draft, and researching/watching junior players and all that, but 2 years is what most of us want to be the extent of our tanking.

Tell us some "inside" stuff like you used to insinuate you had? By the way, how do most players enter the NHL?
- GilPerreault11

Through the tunnel of the rink I would guess?

Boston had the luxury of putting him on the wing and allowing him to grow. He wouldn't have gotten that type of sheltered play in Edmonton, so you could be right.
- HonkFortheGoose

Just look at their stats this year. Hall is slightly behind Seguin, and Seguin gets to play on an absolute monster of a line with Benn and Nichushkin. I think he splits C time with Benn as well. Hall/Seguin is one of the VERY few cases I'd take a winger over a center. IMO Hall is a much more complete player as well.

This is exactly what we are saying. Do you feel that we want the Sabres to tank like 5 years in a row? After the McDavid draft, I don't want us tanking, that's for sure. I love the draft, and researching/watching junior players and all that, but 2 years is what most of us want to be the extent of our tanking.
- LetsGoBuffalo75

If we are gonna be bad... Be bad. When we are ready to be good, go get a FA or 2. Don't waste money on guys that will only help you pick 7th instead of 2nd

Through the tunnel of the rink I would guess?
- Irish 14

The NHL has tunnels leading to it? Is that from one of your "inside" sources?

The NHL has tunnels leading to it? Is that from one of your "inside" sources?
- GilPerreault11

Yep, your the man Gil

Last time I will say this:

You don't build a championship team solely on the draft. When you suck, you better draft the right player during the top of the draft, you can use draft picks to trade for top talent, sign FA and trade.

So all the above.

Luv u all

If we are gonna be bad... Be bad. When we are ready to be good, go get a FA or 2. Don't waste money on guys that will only help you pick 7th instead of 2nd
- sbroads24

I honestly think we'll be ready to get 2/3 bottom 6/2nd pairing FAs and insert guys like Baptiste, Compher, and Fasching into the lineup after the McDavid draft. A team with Grigs, Girgs, Armia, Reinhart, McDavid, Compher, Baptiste, Fasching, Ennis (the only real core guy left on offense), and a couple FAs, and a defense of Myers, Risto, Zads, McCabe, Pysyk, etc. would be enough to start on the upward swing IMO. If we continually shuffle in high draft picks, chemistry will be tough to create. I'd rather have the prospects we have after the 2015 draft play and develop together than continue the tank and cause a log jam of sorts. I'm not saying we should go MTL flash rebuild style after 2015, just that we should ease up a bit, and start to play some decent hockey.

Last time I will say this:

You don't build a championship team solely on the draft. When you suck, you better draft the right player during the top of the draft, you can use draft picks to trade for top talent, sign FA and trade.

So all the above.

Luv u all
- Irish 14

We're not saying solely through the draft... I don't understand why everyone thinks that. Our issue with your thoughts is that you seem to think that free agency is a more important aspect to the rebuild than drafting, which recent history has shown as false.

Last time I will say this:

You don't build a championship team solely on the draft. When you suck, you better draft the right player during the top of the draft, you can use draft picks to trade for top talent, sign FA and trade.

So all the above.

Luv u all
- Irish 14

You get your core pieces in the draft. We completed the tear down phase of the rebuild at the trade deadline. Now is the time to start building it back up. And we are 2 years away from trying to sign significant FA's or making trades to find the pieces that fit. These next 2 drafts are vital to the building back up process.

Just look at Toronto. They traded for Kessel and traded 2 top picks that wouldve helped them more than Kessel has. They went the majority trade route -- Lupul, Kessel, Phanuef, JVR, Bolland, Bernier -- to build their team and look where they are at. Stuck as a bubble team. They didnt have the patience and will be stuck in the bubble for years.

Last time I will say this:

You don't build a championship team solely on the draft. When you suck, you better draft the right player during the top of the draft, you can use draft picks to trade for top talent, sign FA and trade.

So all the above.

Luv u all
- Irish 14

Nice getting real feisty in here I like it!

While I agree this draft and next draft we do need to get top end talent I also agree with trading for and signing a few guys once some of the younger guys have been in the system for a year or two.. LA is the perfect example and the example of a franchise Murray has said he'd like to be like.. They only drafted in the top 10 twice I believe. Most of their team is mid 1st rounder's and smart trades. That's how you build a team!

Have 3 good drafts so 2013 then this year and 2015 and make some smart trades to get some established guys in here in the summer of 2015

Last time I will say this:

You don't build a championship team solely on the draft. When you suck, you better draft the right player during the top of the draft, you can use draft picks to trade for top talent, sign FA and trade.

So all the above.

Luv u all
- Irish 14

And everyone here has said you sign free agents at the right time . It is not the right time yet . You build a core through drafting. then you sign the free agents to finish the rebuild . Tim Murray has said the same thing . But what does he know ?

You get your core pieces in the draft. We completed the tear down phase of the rebuild at the trade deadline. Now is the time to start building it back up. And we are 2 years away from trying to sign significant FA's or making trades to find the pieces that fit. These next 2 drafts are vital to the building back up process.

Just look at Toronto. They traded for Kessel and traded 2 top picks that wouldve helped them more than Kessel has. They went the majority trade route -- Lupul, Kessel, Phanuef, JVR, Bolland, Bernier -- to build their team and look where they are at. Stuck as a bubble team. They didnt have the patience and will be stuck in the bubble for years.
- theblueandgold

Kessel JVR and Lupul are hardly the problem.. The problem is overpaying turnover machine's on the D having goalies fail under pressure and overpaying for 3rd liners.

Kessel JVR and Lupul are hardly the problem.. The problem is overpaying turnover machine's on the D having goalies fail under pressure and overpaying for 3rd liners.
- bluengold12

They build their team around wingers.... I'd say thats a problem.