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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 3 @ 11:09 AM ET
I love sports movies. I love hockey. I hated those Might Ducks movies. LITERALLY hated them.

- MBFlyerfan


Even the third one, featuring a cameo by Paul Karya?
I actually, I literally never saw it, just heard he made an appearance. I think it's something like they all go to college together, and Team USA is unable to cope with the "Varsity" squad or something like that.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Apr 3 @ 11:09 AM ET
Not a math whiz, but the equation would have to involve permutations to include every possible outcome, for every game remaining, right?
- Tomahawk


No order doesn't matter here. The flyers can get anywhere from 0-14 points.

If you wanted to find out the number of possible combinations the flyers could get those points then that would be a permutation involving factorials.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 3 @ 11:11 AM ET
No order doesn't matter here. The flyers can get anywhere from 0-14 points.

If you wanted to find out the number of possible combinations the flyers could get those points then that would be a permutation involving factorials.

- JFlyers00


I was using the theory that, since there are 14 teams still in the EC playoff hunt (although only 12 can catch the Flyers), and they each have 7 (or fewer) games, with 3 possible points in each game (2, 1, 0), there would be roughly 300 possible outcomes. But that was a quick and dirty, because I don't feel like breaking it down
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 3 @ 11:11 AM ET
No order doesn't matter here. The flyers can get anywhere from 0-14 points.

If you wanted to find out the number of possible combinations the flyers could get those points then that would be a permutation involving factorials.

- JFlyers00



Ah, good point.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 3 @ 11:13 AM ET
No order doesn't matter here. The flyers can get anywhere from 0-14 points.

If you wanted to find out the number of possible combinations the flyers could get those points then that would be a permutation involving factorials.

- JFlyers00


Also, why would that be a factorial? Since they are not dependent on each other, you come up with the total possible point differentials per game (3), multiply it by the number of games left (7), and you have 21 different ways in which the Flyers can accumulate points for the rest of the season. Unless I'm missing something.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 3 @ 11:15 AM ET
Even the third one, featuring a cameo by Paul Karya?
I actually, I literally never saw it, just heard he made an appearance. I think it's something like they all go to college together, and Team USA is unable to cope with the "Varsity" squad or something like that.

- jmatchett383


Basically. They also get a new coach who they dislike in the beginning. Then Emelio comes in and has a talk with them about how good of a coach he is and how they should listen to him because he's trying to teach them responsible, two-way hockey.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 3 @ 11:15 AM ET
Basically. They also get a new coach who they dislike in the beginning. Then Emelio comes in and has a talk with them about how good of a coach he is and how they should listen to him because he's trying to teach them responsible, two-way hockey.
- PhillySportsGuy


But...goals.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 3 @ 11:17 AM ET
Basically. They also get a new coach who they dislike in the beginning. Then Emelio comes in and has a talk with them about how good of a coach he is and how they should listen to him because he's trying to teach them responsible, two-way hockey.
- PhillySportsGuy



So Emelio is Lavi and Chief is this new coach? Who's Julie Gaffney? That's what I want to know.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 3 @ 11:17 AM ET
But...goals.
- jmatchett383


I never understood why Team Iceland was the villain. Are there any current hockey players from Iceland? Shouldn't it have been Team Russia or Team Canada?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 3 @ 11:17 AM ET
So Emelio is Lavi and Chief is this new coach? Who's Julie Gaffney? That's what I want to know.
- Tomahawk


CSP
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 3 @ 11:19 AM ET
CSP
- PhillySportsGuy

I hate him so much, it's...

flames, flames on the side of my face
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 3 @ 11:19 AM ET
I never understood why Team Iceland was the villain. Are there any current hockey players from Iceland? Shouldn't it have been Team Russia or Team Canada?
- PhillySportsGuy


I'm guessing it was "safe" to have, essentially, a fake Ice Hockey nation (no offense to Odin).
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 3 @ 11:24 AM ET
I never understood why Team Iceland was the villain. Are there any current hockey players from Iceland? Shouldn't it have been Team Russia or Team Canada?
- PhillySportsGuy



Stand-in villains seemed to be par for the course back then. I'm still trying to figure out who they were fighting in Top Gun and Iron Eagle.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Apr 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
NHL.com has a piece on Mason about his struggles and recent success. Pretty neat story:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/ne...712586&navid=nhl:topheads
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
I never understood why Team Iceland was the villain. Are there any current hockey players from Iceland? Shouldn't it have been Team Russia or Team Canada?
- PhillySportsGuy


Dont want to piss off your audience I guess.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
New subject: Rank the top 15 teams in the league. I'm not going just by their records but also who is playing the best right now.

1. Boston
2. St. Louis
3. Anaheim
4. Los Angeles
5. San Jose
6. Colorado
7. Montreal
8. Philadelphia
9. Tampa
10. New York Rangers
11. Detroit
12. Chicago
13. Pittsburgh
14. Dallas
15. Columbus

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 3 @ 11:25 AM ET
Stand-in villains seemed to be par for the course back then. I'm still trying to figure out who they were fighting in Top Gun and Iron Eagle.
- Tomahawk


It was "The Other Side"


duh
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 3 @ 11:26 AM ET
Stand-in villains seemed to be par for the course back then. I'm still trying to figure out who they were fighting in Top Gun and Iron Eagle.
- Tomahawk


Never saw Iron Eagle, but w.r.t. Top gun:

Fictional aircraft codenamed MiG-28 (МиГ-28 in Cyrillic script) have appeared in several different unrelated works. These fictional aircraft have been independently created and the aircraft share nothing but a name, although it has also often even been given the NATO reporting name Finback. In reality this codename has now been assigned to the Shenyang J-8, a Chinese interceptor-fighter.

The first instance of a "MiG-28" was in the 1978 Quiller novel The Sinkiang Executive written by Adam Hall. Referred to in the work as the MiG-28D (NATO code "Finback"), it was an aircraft that resembled a somewhat modified MiG-25, but with sharper air intakes and swept wings.

In the 1986 film Top Gun, Lt. Pete "Maverick" Mitchell (Tom Cruise) squared off against MiG-28s with no NATO reporting name and of unspecified nationality. These were nothing more than American Northrop F-5s, which at the time were being used as aggressor aircraft for dissimilar air combat training at the real TOPGUN seminar (now known as the United States Navy Fighter Weapons School). The F-5s "acting" as MiG-28s were painted flat black to indicate their villainous status, and retained those paint jobs after production closed.[6] The paint also increased the aircraft's visibility, a plus for filmmaking. The nation flying these MiG-28s is not specified whatsoever in the film but assumed to be the Soviet Union, another Communist state, or Iran (they were flying in the Indian Ocean at a time when the US was siding with Iraq during the Iran-Iraq); audio commentary on the film's Special-Edition DVD release states that they were originally intended to be North Korean. In the script, American pilots are warned that the MiG-28 is armed with the Exocet, a French-made anti-ship missile not found in the inventory of Soviet forces. In video games licensed from the films, the enemy planes are replaced with real Soviet aircraft, the MiG-29 "Fulcrum".

Another MiG-28 is "seen" in the 1988 ABC television series Supercarrier. This MiG-28 was a fictional Soviet stealth fighter. An F-16 fighter in Soviet-style markings was used to "simulate" the Soviet fighter.


So basically, we were fighting Adam Hall's imagination.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Apr 3 @ 11:28 AM ET


i have no idea what's going on in here
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 3 @ 11:30 AM ET
i have no idea what's going on in here
- -davies-

I don't even know who I am anymore
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Apr 3 @ 11:31 AM ET
I don't even know who I am anymore
- BulliesPhan87



i do know reading that blog and being reminded of those two losses to cbj has chapped my hide.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 3 @ 11:31 AM ET
Never saw Iron Eagle, but w.r.t. Top gun:

Fictional aircraft codenamed MiG-28 (МиГ-28 in Cyrillic script) have appeared in several different unrelated works. These fictional aircraft have been independently created and the aircraft share nothing but a name, although it has also often even been given the NATO reporting name Finback. In reality this codename has now been assigned to the Shenyang J-8, a Chinese interceptor-fighter.

The first instance of a "MiG-28" was in the 1978 Quiller novel The Sinkiang Executive written by Adam Hall. Referred to in the work as the MiG-28D (NATO code "Finback"), it was an aircraft that resembled a somewhat modified MiG-25, but with sharper air intakes and swept wings.

In the 1986 film Top Gun, Lt. Pete "Maverick" Mitchell (Tom Cruise) squared off against MiG-28s with no NATO reporting name and of unspecified nationality. These were nothing more than American Northrop F-5s, which at the time were being used as aggressor aircraft for dissimilar air combat training at the real TOPGUN seminar (now known as the United States Navy Fighter Weapons School). The F-5s "acting" as MiG-28s were painted flat black to indicate their villainous status, and retained those paint jobs after production closed.

- jmatchett383[6] The paint also increased the aircraft's visibility, a plus for filmmaking. The nation flying these MiG-28s is not specified whatsoever in the film but assumed to be the Soviet Union, another Communist state, or Iran (they were flying in the Indian Ocean at a time when the US was siding with Iraq during the Iran-Iraq); audio commentary on the film's Special-Edition DVD release states that they were originally intended to be North Korean. In the script, American pilots are warned that the MiG-28 is armed with the Exocet, a French-made anti-ship missile not found in the inventory of Soviet forces. In video games licensed from the films, the enemy planes are replaced with real Soviet aircraft, the MiG-29 "Fulcrum".

Another MiG-28 is "seen" in the 1988 ABC television series Supercarrier. This MiG-28 was a fictional Soviet stealth fighter. An F-16 fighter in Soviet-style markings was used to "simulate" the Soviet fighter.


So basically, we were fighting Adam Hall's imagination.


Geez, you have WAY too much time on your hands!

Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Apr 3 @ 11:32 AM ET
New subject: Rank the top 15 teams in the league. I'm not going just by their records but also who is playing the best right now.

1. Boston
2. St. Louis
3. Anaheim
4. Los Angeles
5. San Jose
6. Colorado
7. Montreal
8. Philadelphia
9. Tampa
10. New York Rangers
11. Detroit
12. Chicago
13. Pittsburgh
14. Dallas
15. Columbus

- BiggE


1. Boston
2. St. Louis
3. Colorado
4. Los Angeles
5. San Jose
6. Anaheim
7. Tampa Bay
8. Pittsburgh
9. Chicago
10. Philadelphia
11. Detroit
12. Montreal
13. New York
14. Columbus
15. Dallas
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 3 @ 11:32 AM ET
i have no idea what's going on in here
- -davies-


It's literally out of control.

Do we need shootout specialist --> Mighty Duck Movies --> Top Gun Villians
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 3 @ 11:32 AM ET
i do know reading that blog and being reminded of those two losses to cbj has chapped my hide.
- -davies-


That sounds quite painful...and vaguely kinky
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