You might be right. Sad to say, but we can all probably agree that we knew this would live and die by the core of Hall- Nuge- Ebs, Schultz, and to a lesser degree Gags and Yak. I agree that our defense sucks, the coach is poop, but I am far from certain that we haven't all bet on the wrong horses.

I also don't think it is possible to add enough key pieces to compliment that group over the next 3 summers, and I have zero interest in waiting that long to see if this core will be superstars or also-rans, beaten down from a near decade of losing.

If we're gonna get rid of the coach, we might as well get rid of the players as well and semi-start over.
- Jeropotato

Okay MacT was expecting continue progression from last season,so MacT goes and gets Perron,Gordon,Ference,and try to get a Goalie cause He knew that there was not assurance with Dubnyk,then for some reason He decides to bring in Eakins and replace Krueger,and I agreed with MacT about this team should have continue improving but MacT took a gamble with Eakins with 0 NHL experience and that to me is the biggest MacT mistake and 70% of the real reason why this team have regress so much.

[quote=Jeropotato]You might be right. Sad to say, but we can all probably agree that we knew this would live and die by the core of Hall- Nuge- Ebs, Schultz, and to a lesser degree Gags and Yak. I agree that our defense sucks, the coach is poop, but I am far from certain that we haven't all bet on the wrong horses.

I also don't think it is possible to add enough key pieces to compliment that group over the next 3 summers, and I have zero interest in waiting that long to see if this core will be superstars or also-rans, beaten down from a near decade of losing.

If we're gonna get rid of the coach, we might as well get rid of the players as well and semi-start over.

The rebuild was done wrong and now the retool will be done wrong. Tough times

If they do he will bring a big return.
- Yeti1181

Enough to fix this mess.

...and that's the thing. Should we be proactive if this appears inevitable?

Seriously if we can turn Hall, Ebs, Gagner, Petry, J Schults into, say, 4 1st rounders, a couple quality prospects, a top pair D and a top 4 veteran D, could we not be better off in the long run?
- Jeropotato

We probably would be better that way but then we run the risk of this (frank) up of a team happening again 4 years down the road

Oops.

Okay MacT was expecting continue progression from last season,so MacT goes and gets Perron,Gordon,Ference,and try to get a Goalie cause He knew that there was not assurance with Dubnyk,then for some reason He decides to bring in Eakins and replace Krueger,and I agreed with MacT about this team should have continue improving but MacT took a gamble with Eakins with 0 NHL experience and that to me is the biggest MacT mistake and 70% of the real reason why this team have regress so much.
- AlEx_OiL

Your hate for Eakins clouds everything.

So Eakins says is the full players responsibility why the PP is so bad but at the same time He says he's happy with the PP wow......no wonder why this team have regress so much.

[quote=Jeropotato]You might be right. Sad to say, but we can all probably agree that we knew this would live and die by the core of Hall- Nuge- Ebs, Schultz, and to a lesser degree Gags and Yak. I agree that our defense sucks, the coach is poop, but I am far from certain that we haven't all bet on the wrong horses.

I also don't think it is possible to add enough key pieces to compliment that group over the next 3 summers, and I have zero interest in waiting that long to see if this core will be superstars or also-rans, beaten down from a near decade of losing.

If we're gonna get rid of the coach, we might as well get rid of the players as well and semi-start over.

The rebuild was done wrong and now the retool will be done wrong. Tough times
- nanook82

Yes. Tambo (frank)ed up. I think Mac T can do it right, but it wont be a retool.

Your hate for Eakins clouds everything.
- Jeropotato

but see is not Eakins full responsibility because He didn't hired himself so no my hate is probably 50/50 with MacT cause He hired Eakins.

We probably would be better that way but then we run the risk of this (frank) up of a team happening again 4 years down the road
- OilerFan16

Maybe. I think we Gamble on Nuge and Yak. Build from the back end out. I'm not sure this will be a playoff team in 2 or 3 seasons anyway, but I think it could be re-done in 4.

but see is not Eakins full responsibility because He didn't hired himself so no my hate is probably 50/50 with MacT cause He hired Eakins. :rug:
- AlEx_OiL

Cant blame MacT. Eakins sounded like a good choice in summer. Heard lots of good things about him

They suck.

but see is not Eakins full responsibility because He didn't hired himself so no my hate is probably 50/50 with MacT cause He hired Eakins.
- AlEx_OiL

And zero% on the players? I guess they are the perfect blend of skill, physicality and heart.

Maybe. I think we Gamble on Nuge and Yak. Build from the back end out. I'm not sure this will be a playoff team in 2 or 3 seasons anyway, but I think it could be re-done in 4.
- Jeropotato

That's way to much time it will never happen.

They suck.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Yes they do.

Enough to fix this mess.
- Jeropotato

Get rid of the old boys club first, its the same poop in Toronto keep recycling crap.

Yes. Tambo (frank)ed up. I think Mac T can do it right, but it wont be a retool.
- Jeropotato

Yes true. I believe MacT has done well thus far. Only mistake was Eakins but nothing can be done about that. Let's hope for a dramatic off season, my fingers are crossed.

Cant blame MacT. Eakins sounded like a good choice in summer. Heard lots of good things about him
- OilerFan16

that's why is only 50% I think Eakins got sold to MacT by Toronto media.

Maybe. I think we Gamble on Nuge and Yak. Build from the back end out. I'm not sure this will be a playoff team in 2 or 3 seasons anyway, but I think it could be re-done in 4.
- Jeropotato

Thats probably true. But 4 more years of no playoffs sounds devastating...

that's why is only 50% I think Eakins got sold to MacT by Toronto media.
- AlEx_OiL

COuld be

And zero% on the players? I guess they are the perfect blend of skill, physicality and heart.
- Jeropotato

of course they do but how can explain so much regression from last season?

Maybe. I think we Gamble on Nuge and Yak. Build from the back end out. I'm not sure this will be a playoff team in 2 or 3 seasons anyway, but I think it could be re-done in 4.
- Jeropotato

Gamble on them via trade, or those are the two you keep?

of course they do but how can explain so much regression from last season?
- AlEx_OiL

Last year was a fluke

Thats probably true. But 4 more years of no playoffs sounds devastating...
- OilerFan16

yeah that won't happen,MacT will try to make deals etc.

Last year was a fluke
- Yeti1181

like the Leaf?