I say do this...

Hartnell/G/voracek
Simmonds/Vinny/Raffl
Schenn/Coots/Read
Rinaldo/Hall/Mcginn
- Flyersgod

Makes the 4th line a bit prone IMO.

I don't know if it's a bias thing or not. But Lecavalier is clearly capable of scoring PP goals. So to say that he brings nothing to the PP on the 2nd unit, is simply false.
- MJL

You have to play to his strengths. That's for all players. If you force them to play a game they can't play well you must adjust it for them.

So tired of the flyers signing 42 centers and then getting mad when they can't play wing.

Vandevelde is a border line NHL player. He's a low minute 4th liner at the most.
- MJL

I'd say the same thing about McGinn. A bit more offensive upside, size and speed but I think VV is a bit stronger defensively.

Makes the 4th line a bit prone IMO.
- Pixote Andolini

Prone 4th line or a lame 2nd line. I'd rather a prone 4th line.

Can always do it like this...

Harts G Voracek
Simmonds Coots Raffl
Read Vinny ??
Rinaldo Schenn Hall

You have to play to his strengths. That's for all players. If you force them to play a game they can't play well you must adjust it for them.

So tired of the flyers signing 42 centers and then getting mad when they can't play wing.
- Flyersgod

Here's the bottom line as I see it. Lecavalier is a center. Maybe he could play the right side. I thought he would adjust to playing the left side. But it seems as though I was wrong about that happening. So the choices are either play him at Center on the 4th line, or on the 2nd line. I know what I would do. Berube feels differently. The Flyers would be a better team with a productive Lecavalier. Why not put him in the best position to succeed?

As far as the off season is concerned. If they aren't going to play him at Center on a scoring line, then they should try and move him.

Grapes talking about the linesman on the VLC 5-on-3 goal.

Hahaha forgot Cherry pronounces Lucic as 'Lewsick'.

Here's the bottom line as I see it. Lecavalier is a center. Maybe he could play the right side. I thought he would adjust to playing the left side. But it seems as though I was wrong about that happening. So the choices are either play him at Center on the 4th line, or on the 2nd line. I know what I would do. Berube feels differently. The Flyers would be a better team with a productive Lecavalier. Why not put him in the best position to succeed?

As far as the off season is concerned. If they aren't going to play him at Center on a scoring line, then they should try and move him.
- MJL

Do you think B Schenn has played poorly enough to deserve either a demotion to the 4th line or a position switch? Here's my view of it. Taking a macro look at this, B Schenn does not deserve that, and there is definite chemistry b/w him and Simmonds. Why mess with that? These are two of the young forwards that are part of the big picture of the flyers future. I want them doing battle together as a 2nd line in these playoffs. I would move Raffl on that line at LW once Downie gets healthy and see what happens. Vinny on the 4th line with those guys is certainly interesting.

Grapes talking about the linesman on the VLC 5-on-3 goal.
- Pixote Andolini

now the announcers whining about it...

Here's the bottom line as I see it. Lecavalier is a center. Maybe he could play the right side. I thought he would adjust to playing the left side. But it seems as though I was wrong about that happening. So the choices are either play him at Center on the 4th line, or on the 2nd line. I know what I would do. Berube feels differently. The Flyers would be a better team with a productive Lecavalier. Why not put him in the best position to succeed?

As far as the off season is concerned. If they aren't going to play him at Center on a scoring line, then they should try and move him.
- MJL

Something has to give.

We have Giroux, Vinny, Schenn, and Coots on the roster now as centers. Laughton in the wings fighting his way up.

Of all of those 4 guys, not one is a 4th line center. The coach needs to grow a pair and identify who is what. If he wants players to earn his minutes, than he needs to hold everyone to the same standard. Too often we see the same crap with the coaching staff of punishing one player but not the others who do the same or worse.

The entire team has had a poor offensive year to be honest. Read isn't scoring like he did 2 years ago. With only 3 players over 50 points (Giroux, Simmonds, and Voracek) it's not like one player is to blame for the other 9 forwards.

Some are biased against VL. I'm biased against B. Schenn. I can't stand him. I think he's nothing more than a wanna be Mike Richards.

Coots has taken over games with his play. Giroux has taken over games with his play. The Schenn's just don't have the gene in them to take over a game. Maybe a genetic defect in the spine.

Do you think B Schenn has played poorly enough to deserve either a demotion to the 4th line or a position switch? Here's my view of it. Taking a macro look at this, B Schenn does not deserve that, and there is definite chemistry b/w him and Simmonds. Why mess with that? These are two of the young forwards that are part of the big picture of the flyers future. I want them doing battle together as a 2nd line in these playoffs. I would move Raffl on that line at LW once Downie gets healthy and see what happens. Vinny on the 4th line with those guys is certainly interesting.
- Just5

It's not about punishing B Schenn, or what he deserves. B Schenn is just as good of a Winger as he is a Center, in my opinion. And he'll still be on the same line as Simmonds. How did that chemistry look last night?

Do you think B Schenn has played poorly enough to deserve either a demotion to the 4th line or a position switch? Here's my view of it. Taking a macro look at this, B Schenn does not deserve that, and there is definite chemistry b/w him and Simmonds. Why mess with that? These are two of the young forwards that are part of the big picture of the flyers future. I want them doing battle together as a 2nd line in these playoffs. I would move Raffl on that line at LW once Downie gets healthy and see what happens. Vinny on the 4th line with those guys is certainly interesting.
- Just5

Schenn isn't ready for 2nd line minutes.

It's not about punishing B Schenn, or what he deserves. B Schenn is just as good of a Winger as he is a Center, in my opinion. And he'll still be on the same line as Simmonds. How did that chemistry look last night?
- MJL

Schenn and Simmonds have looked very good as a pairing this year. I disagree, I think B Schenn is a much better center than winger, because that's the position he's played his entire career. I want to see Raffl on that line.
One game is enough of an evaluation? They played with an AHL forward. I guess Vinny is back to being the old Vinny after a 5 vs 3 goal

Schenn isn't ready for 2nd line minutes.
- Flyersgod

He's not playing the best competition. But he doesn't have to. That's what you paid Giroux 8 million to do, and thats why you drafted Couturier in the top 10.

Whats the corsi relative # mean?

Something has to give.

We have Giroux, Vinny, Schenn, and Coots on the roster now as centers. Laughton in the wings fighting his way up.

Of all of those 4 guys, not one is a 4th line center. The coach needs to grow a pair and identify who is what. If he wants players to earn his minutes, than he needs to hold everyone to the same standard. Too often we see the same crap with the coaching staff of punishing one player but not the others who do the same or worse.

The entire team has had a poor offensive year to be honest. Read isn't scoring like he did 2 years ago. With only 3 players over 50 points (Giroux, Simmonds, and Voracek) it's not like one player is to blame for the other 9 forwards.

Some are biased against VL. I'm biased against B. Schenn. I can't stand him. I think he's nothing more than a wanna be Mike Richards.

Coots has taken over games with his play. Giroux has taken over games with his play. The Schenn's just don't have the gene in them to take over a game. Maybe a genetic defect in the spine.
- Flyersgod

B. Schenn is still 22 yoa. He still has room to grow, and things to learn. I don't know how anyone can't be happy with the step(s) he took this year.

He's not playing the best competition. But he doesn't have to. That's what you paid Giroux 8 million to do, and thats why you drafted Couturier in the top 10.
- Just5

I'm not trying to argue with you, even if I come off like I am. I dislike B. Schenn. I feel like I see him as this players that everyone thinks is gonna be great.. and I see a complete dud. Sure he shows flashes once in a while of something, but so did Zherdev.

It's more me hating on him than anything else. Him and VL have had similar years. Although VL has had a broken back and face and Schenn's been healthy.

I'm not sure what chemistry you speak of with Simmonds though. I feel like Simmonds has been one of our best players despite who he's played with.

B. Schenn is still 22 yoa. He still has room to grow, and things to learn. I don't know how anyone can't be happy with the step(s) he took this year.
- Just5

I see it like this.

He gets more minutes, plays with better players, and his points go up. He hasn't changed from last year one bit.

Again, I'm biased. I think you guys are all nuts for seeing him the way you do. As I'm sure you do towards me for the way I see him.

Berube never makes decisions spontaneously. The Vinny demotion has been thought about for a while. Considering they chose to bring up McGinn and not a more defensively responsible forward now makes more sense when Downie went down.

Certainly, too early to suggest the 2nd line is now weaker because McGinn was just added without having the advantage of having one practice together. Sorry, B. Schenn is not moving to wing anytime soon.

Schenn and Simmonds have looked very good as a pairing this year. I disagree, I think B Schenn is a much better center than winger, because that's the position he's played his entire career. I want to see Raffl on that line.
One game is enough of an evaluation? They played with an AHL forward. I guess Vinny is back to being the old Vinny after a 5 vs 3 goal
- Just5

Just because he has played Center his entire career doesn't mean that he is a much better center then winger. The numbers just don't bear that out. The 2nd line hasn't been good for a while, and Lecavalier has been part of that. My position is that Lecavalier, now seems to be a lot healthier and stronger, will help that line if he's place back in the center position. And Schenn will be just as good as a Winger.

Whats the corsi relative # mean?
- Flyersgod

Relative to his teammates.

B. Schenn is still 22 yoa. He still has room to grow, and things to learn. I don't know how anyone can't be happy with the step(s) he took this year.
- Just5

I like B Schenn as a player. Wanting to move him back to the Wing is not about displeasure with Schenn. It's about what I feel is best for the team.

Josh Thrower vs Tyrell Goulbourne (Rinaldo 2.0)

Haag is going to be a stud

Gumbas is also flying

It's not about punishing B Schenn, or what he deserves. B Schenn is just as good of a Winger as he is a Center, in my opinion. And he'll still be on the same line as Simmonds. How did that chemistry look last night?
- MJL

If you feel VL should be in the top 6 perhaps its time to try something radical:
Hartnell-VL-G
Raffl-Schenn-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Voracek
VDV or McGinn-Hall-Rinaldo