I wish they would just make up their minds... can you touch the puck with your glove, or not. Can you play the puck with your skate, or not. If you literally can't do anything legal with your stick above shoulder level for safety, why not a blanket high sticking call anytime it happens, not just when somebody gets hit in the face? And oh yeah, 4mins for blood, because that's not weird.
- Tomahawk

I can deal with and understand some nuances (like the various way high sticking is called). Other things, like the automatic penalty for breaking a stick, or the extra two minutes if a guy bleeds make no sense to me.

For the glove and skate things, I agree. I think the details just open up officiating to making more mistakes.

The only stat that matters is wins. Everything else is a collection of historical information, not a predictor of future performance.
- Flyersgod

Of if I stick a penny in a light socket 50 times and get shocked 50 times, I shouldnt predict on the 51st time I will get shocked too?

The only stat that matters is wins. Everything else is a collection of historical information, not a predictor of future performance.
- Flyersgod

Whoever wins the Memorial Cup, we draft all of their players.

The only stat that matters is wins. Everything else is a collection of historical information, not a predictor of future performance.
- Flyersgod

Of if I stick a penny in a light socket 50 times and get shocked 50 times, I shouldnt predict on the 51st time I will get shocked too?
- SchennBros

Really? You're comparing physical laws to trends in sports?

No, No, No I know what it is... eveyone gets the 40 and 10 confused on the ice. So they always give Schenn the +'s and Vinny always gets the -'s... That explains it...
- SchennBros

If you're trying to get on my good side, you're doing a very good job

Whoever wins the Memorial Cup, we draft all of their players.
- PhillySportsGuy

Only if Ekblad's team wins.

Yay, Ghost with a SOG!!!

Yay, Ghost with a SOG!!!
- jmatchett383

He has a few

He has a few
- PhillySportsGuy

ESPN boxscore has him ay 1. Had 0 (per the boxscore) through 2. But, it is ESPN covering hockey, so I have a feeling there's a guy just posting random stats while filling out football mock drafts.

ESPN boxscore has him ay 1. Had 0 (per the boxscore) through 2). But, it is ESPN covering hockey, so I have a feeling there's a guy just posting random stats.
- jmatchett383

I remember him having 1 on the PP in the second period. Maybe it was blocked. It looked like the goalie saved it though. Not sure he saw it, but he saved it.

It could also mean that, any time a player on the Flyers has a good scoring chance, Schenn yanks a player off the ice by their jersey and jumps on instead.
- jmatchett383

I see him do it!

Well, then 4 minutes for blood/5 minutes for injury vs. 2 minutes for not, etc. are not official rules (as far as I know), they are judgement calls.

But every sport has them. Take baseball's 3rd strike foul ball rules, for example. A foul ball is a strike, except when it's the 3rd strike, then it doesnlt count, unless it's only a small foul (foul tip), then it does, or if you're bunting, then any foul ball is a strike no matter how many you have.

Basketball's fouls: You can foul a guy and he doesn't shoot, they just stop the game...unless you foul the other team a certain amount of times, then he gets to take uncontested shots.

Football: You can push a receiver in the chest as hard as you want and interfere with him for 5 yards without the ball, but once he goes past 5 yards, laying a finger on him is a 15-yard penalty.
- jmatchett383

I dunno, maybe it's me, but those rules from the other sports make sense to me. I can see that they built certain conditions in to meet certain situations or eventualities.

Hockey rules, on the other hand... I've been watching this sport for two decades and if some newbie were to ask me why it's called one way and not the other, I seriously would be at a loss to explain it beyond "that's just how it is".

Edit: one thing that I still don't get... when do concurrent penalties result in a 4v4 vs a 5v5?

Really? You're comparing physical laws to trends in sports?
- jmatchett383

Just playing devils advocate. I really dont like advanced stats, but to completely ignore them is silly too. I think you can use advanced stats to make general observations and expect consistant results based on that. However, I'm a hockey fan. I watch hockey for amusement, and talk hockey for amusement. I could care less what the stats say.

But yes they can be used as predictors. For example, I have a fantasy team and I made my own advanced stats based on last years numbers and the scoring critera in my league.

As a result I have the first place team... and I picked last. Why because I did the numbers crunch. Becuase I know hits and penality minutes count just as much as goals and assists, I realized that players like Getzlaf and Perry will perform better then Stamkos.

I dunno, maybe it's me, but those rules from the other sports make sense to me. I can see that they built certain conditions in to meet certain situations or eventualities.

Hockey rules, on the other hand... I've been watching this sport for two decades and if some newbie were to ask me why it's called one way and not the other, I seriously would be at a loss to explain it beyond "that's just how it is".
- Tomahawk

I think restraining penalties are like holding calls in football. Both happen with regularity, but they aren't called with regularity. I guess you could say there are "legal" ways to hold or restrain a player.

I dunno, maybe it's me, but those rules from the other sports make sense to me. I can see that they built certain conditions in to meet certain situations or eventualities.

Hockey rules, on the other hand... I've been watching this sport for two decades and if some newbie were to ask me why it's called one way and not the other, I seriously would be at a loss to explain it beyond "that's just how it is".

Edit: one thing that I still don't get... when do concurrent penalties result in a 4v4 vs a 5v5?
- Tomahawk

Hockey rules are no harder to explain than the infield fly rule, what is/isn't a balk, the difference between illegal contact and pass interference, or what is/isn't charging. In any sport where there are a bunch of guys all moving in different directions at high speed at the same time, some things will get missed. For example, there is holding on EVERY PLAY in football, but it's only called sometimes.

As for the 4v4 vs 5v5...I don't know.

I think restraining penalties are like holding calls in football. Both happen with regularity, but they aren't called with regularity. I guess you could say there are "legal" ways to hold or restrain a player.
- PhillySportsGuy

I have been told that a holding penality can be called on every single play in an NFL game. Stupid penalty. Just let them all hold eachother.

I dont know you.
- SchennBros

And yet, somehow, my world keeps spinning!

I have been told that a holding penality can be called on every single play in an NFL game. Stupid penalty. Just let them all hold eachother.
- SchennBros

They normally call it if it directly effects the play.

Hockey rules are no harder to explain than the infield fly rule, what is/isn't a balk, the difference between illegal contact and pass interference, or what is/isn't charging. In any sport where there are a bunch of guys all moving in different directions at high speed at the same time, some things will get missed. For example, there is holding on EVERY PLAY in football, but it's only called sometimes.

As for the 4v4 vs 5v5...I don't know.
- jmatchett383

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

since pp +/- Does Not Count towards stats, idt goals should count against the goalies gaa or save % either
- mydoglicks

whats an idt goal?

And yet, somehow, my world keeps spinning!
- AllInForFlyers

The world belongs to everyone man... especially the children.

Ultimately, the problem is they don't see him as one of the three best centers and he's incapable of playing wing.

Where else are you going to put him?
- PhillySportsGuy

They don't see him that way now. Today.

Things change -- Michael Raffl was playing on L1 two months ago!

Just playing devils advocate. I really dont like advanced stats, but to completely ignore them is silly too. I think you can use advanced stats to make general observations and expect consistant results based on that. However, I'm a hockey fan. I watch hockey for amusement, and talk hockey for amusement. I could care less what the stats say.

But yes they can be used as predictors. For example, I have a fantasy team and I made my own advanced stats based on last years numbers and the scoring critera in my league.

As a result I have the first place team... and I picked last. Why because I did the numbers crunch. Becuase I know hits and penality minutes count just as much as goals and assists, I realized that players like Getzlaf and Perry will perform better then Stamkos.
- SchennBros

Yes, if you know that you have a team that is assigned a number of points based on statistical categories, then it would be in your best interest to pick the players who have the greatest total amount of points from the recent past based on that scoring system. However, there a number of unmeasurable stats in sports, such as team chemistry, line combination and defensive cooperation, leadership, etc. that come into play in a non-fantasy setting. Also, you can have a player who scores you 7 goals a game, but if he's responsible for 8 against, then he's not helping in the real world while he lights it up for your fantasy team.

whats an idt goal?
- JAKEw1234

www.idt.com

It's when they use 4G technology to score a goal.