He's gone...good riddance ...don't need thugs like him associated with the Eagles organization
- keatondixon

That story on NJ.com is damning -- they clearly don't want an Aaron Hernandez situation

Was hoping they'd at least get a draft pick, wow this is surprising. Eagles must know some things about him that the public doesn't.
- Nucker101

Of course they do but when someone is associated with the Crips in LA and throwing up gang signs during games, they have to go. Especially after the Aaron Hernandez incident.

Espn front page news.
- PhillySportsGuy

wow straight out release huh? Even with that ridiculous contract, I thought someone would at least give up a 5th or 6th for him.

That story on NJ.com is damning -- they clearly don't want an Aaron Hernandez situation
- AllInForFlyers

It's kind of extreme to just speculate that he might murder someone, doesn't he have a clean criminal record? Amazing that they couldn't even get a pick for him, that's the part that frustrates me.

It's kind of extreme to just speculate that he might murder someone, doesn't he have a clean criminal record? Amazing that they couldn't even get a pick for him, that's the part that frustrates me.
- Nucker101

jackson has been known to throw gang signs around you never know

Of course they do but when someone is associated with the Crips in LA, they have to go. Especially after the Aaron Hernandez incident.
- keatondixon

Yeah, but I hope they know for sure that he's legitimately associated with them and not just speculating before they decided to lose him for nothing but cap space.

It's kind of extreme to just speculate that he might murder someone, doesn't he have a clean criminal record? Amazing that they couldn't even get a pick for him, that's the part that frustrates me.
- Nucker101

Extreme, yeah, probably -- but at the same time, I can see it

Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick and the Pats can weather those kinds of storms because they've won Super Bowls

Jeff Lurie doesn't have that, and Chip Kelly's in his second year in the league -- can't be messing around when you don't have the kind of passes that championships give you

jackson has been known to throw gang signs around you never know
- 2Real

Yeah I know he's done it multiple times on Instagram, but if that's the best evidence the Eagles have other than a TMZ report then I'm not on board with this. It would suck to see him go to another NFC team like the Hawks or Panthers now.

I'm not misusing anything. I don't agree with you that he was as effective of a player prior to the injury as you make him out to be. Simple as that.
- bradleyc4

Nobody would even be talking about SH% if a certain someone didn't keep trotting out "on pace for 33-goals" as their main defense of the player. Apparently he's the only one who gets to decide which stats constitute misuse... SH%, +/-, advanced metrics... all misuse. But just goals with no context provided? Sure!

Re: DeSean.

"You don't want to see anybody throwing up gang signs like he did in the Redskins game last year," Crosson said. "Those were neighborhood Crip gang signs and he flashed them during a game. He may not be affiliated with the gang, but they don't [ordinarily] take kindly to those not in the gang throwing up those gang signs."

Yeah, (frank) that non-sense. Another reason I typically steer clear of football.

Found it:



"There is a lot to unpack here. First the facts, uncovered by Eliot Shorr-Parks and A.J. Perez:

Jackson was contacted by an LAPD detective seeking information on a 2010 gang-related murder in Los Angeles. Jackson was not a suspect, but police believe he may have had information about a suspect in the murder, Theron Shakir. Shakir, a purported Crips member, is a rapper who has worked on Jackson's record label, and the two have been photographed together. (Shakir was acquitted of the murder.)
In 2012, another gang-related murder took place outside a party in Los Angeles. The building was owned or leased by a member of Jackson's family, and some documents belonging to him were found inside. Police attempted to contact Jackson, who was not a suspect, but were unable to get in touch with him.
Jackson had a previously unreported arrest in 2009 for marijuana possession, tinted windows, and disturbing the peace.
Then, there are the implications. The LAPD detective, Eric Crosson, clearly believes Jackson himself is part of the Crips gang. His evidence includes Jackson throwing up supposed Crip gang signs in photos, even on the field in NFL games. Also, the name of Jackson's record label—Jaccpot—because, according to Crosson, "Crips avoid putting a 'C' next to a 'K' because in gangspeak, that stands for 'Crip Killer.'"

According to Shorr-Parks and Perez, the Eagles are concerned that all of this has the potential for a very bad situation. They don't have to say it outright, since everyone else will, but Aaron Hernandez is on everyone's mind.

The timing of Jackson's release can't be a coincidence. The Eagles knew this story was coming. Once it was published, Jackson's trade value would become zero. (Or, more sinisterly, the "sources within the Eagles organization" that contributed to this story did so to publicly justify Jackson's release.) "

Yeah I know he's done it multiple times on Instagram, but if that's the best evidence the Eagles have other than a TMZ report then I'm not on board with this. It would suck to see him go to another NFC team like the Hawks or Panthers now.
- Nucker101

well when he get into it with coaches during games and has a lot of other antics the gang stuff is kind of the kicker imagine if he goes all Aaron Hernandez in a few years due to his ego

I'm not misusing anything. I don't agree with you that he was as effective of a player prior to the injury as you make him out to be. Simple as that.
- bradleyc4

Stats wise he was one of our best.

The 8 games prior to have his face broken he had 5 goals.

Then had to wear a new helmet, which we all know greatly affects everyone.

In the 22 games he played before breaking his back he had 14 points albeit a -7, but the team was very bad.

He isn't what he use to be.

Yeah I know he's done it multiple times on Instagram, but if that's the best evidence the Eagles have other than a TMZ report then I'm not on board with this. It would suck to see him go to another NFC team like the Hawks or Panthers now.
- Nucker101

Take away the gang relations and just focus on team related issues. Butting heads with Coach Kelly and missing team meetings...football has always been Jackson's second priority and even that can get you cut from a team. Jackson is a great player but with a contract like his it can be pretty tough getting any kind of return for a player like that.

So in a nutshell...

Giroux gets a pass for sucking the first 15 games due to injuries....

LeCav should be taken out to the shed for sucking after his injuries...

Nobody would even be talking about SH% if a certain someone didn't keep trotting out "on pace for 33-goals" as their main defense of the player. Apparently he's the only one who gets to decide which stats constitute misuse... SH%, +/-, advanced metrics... all misuse. But just goals with no context provided? Sure!
- Tomahawk

Either you score goals or you don't. It's pretty simple.

So in a nutshell...

Giroux gets a pass for sucking the first 15 games due to injuries....

LeCav should be taken out to the shed for sucking after his injuries...
- Flyersgod

Trust me, Giroux didn't get a pass

"Fraude Giroux" and stripping him of the captaincy were lively topics when he wasn't going

Take away the gang relations and just focus on team related issues. Butting heads with Coach Kelly and missing team meetings...football has always been Jackson's second priority and even that can get you cut from a team. Jackson is a great player but with a contract like his it can be pretty tough getting any kind of return for a player like that.
- keatondixon

We'll miss some of those big plays, to be sure, but let's be honest:

Almost every single employee in the real world is evaluated on upside/downside/daily performance

When those percentages are out of whack, you get whacked -- that's just the reality of it

So in a nutshell...

Giroux gets a pass for sucking the first 15 games due to injuries....

LeCav should be taken out to the shed for sucking after his injuries...
- Flyersgod

Vast difference in age and extent of injury.

We'll miss some of those big plays, to be sure, but let's be honest:

Almost every single employee in the real world is evaluated on upside/downside/daily performance

When those percentages are out of whack, you get whacked -- that's just the reality of it
- AllInForFlyers

Whoa, easy you Crip.

Trust me, Giroux didn't get a pass

"Fraude Giroux" and stripping him of the captaincy were lively topics when he wasn't going
- AllInForFlyers

But the people that defended Giroux aren't the ones defending Vinny.

Trust me, Giroux didn't get a pass

"Fraude Giroux" and stripping him of the captaincy were lively topics when he wasn't going
- AllInForFlyers

Plus G is putting up points now, and has been for a while, or else people would still be questioning him, the 8 year deal, etc.

We'll miss some of those big plays, to be sure, but let's be honest:

Almost every single employee in the real world is evaluated on upside/downside/daily performance

When those percentages are out of whack, you get whacked -- that's just the reality of it
- AllInForFlyers

All the other stuff aside, I have no problem with this. Obviously Kelly is trying to develop a culture (Somewhere Ed Snider just got ticked off!) and DeSean is simply not a team player who is going to get with the program. He misses meetings, gives up on plays that don't feature him getting the ball, and argues with both teammates and coaches on the sideline. IMHO, in the long run, they are much better off without him.

Also its been reported by folks who know much more about football than I do that this upcoming draft is loaded with quality receivers so hopefully the Eagles can pick up a good one then.

All the other stuff aside, I have no problem with this. Obviously Kelly is trying to develop a culture (Somewhere Ed Snider just got ticked off!) and DeSean is simply not a team player who is going to get with the program. He misses meetings, gives up on plays that don't feature him getting the ball, and argues with both teammates and coaches on the sideline. IMHO, in the long run, they are much better off without him.

Also its been reported by folks who know much more about football than I do that this upcoming draft is loaded with quality receivers so hopefully the Eagles can pick up a good one then.
- BiggE

I think this has more to do with Jackson's contract and Kelly's system (prefers bigger receivers) than it does with purported gang stuff.

The gang stuff was probably just the final straw to avoid even the potential of Jackson being susceptible to another Aaron Hernandez situation.

I think this has more to do with Jackson's contract and Kelly's system (prefers bigger receivers) than it does with purported gang stuff.

The gang stuff was probably just the final straw to avoid even the potential of Jackson being susceptible to another Aaron Hernandez situation.
- johndewar

You're probably right, in the end it's almost always about the $$$