Technically it's against the rules to take a scholarship for injury.

It's the long term healthcare that's in question. You'll find that the NFL players union is fighting the same battle now that concussions are causing such a problem in later life.
- SolidGoldBricks

right, in season/current academic year. but technically, unless you have a multi-year scholarship, the scholarship can be non-renewed after that year.
but, anyone with a brain appeals that decision and wins it at most schools.
This debate, which is ultimately about money, is really only about the big schools and conferences.
they are going to screw the rest of us pretty bad.

The real flaw with all of this is that if they start to be considered workers, then their "income" (scholarships) can become taxable by the federal government. Therefore they end up paying to go to school where they didn't have to originally.

It's very interesting stuff.
- SolidGoldBricks

I would be willing to bet a lot of things, this would happen.

Guys, it's really quite simple to understand at this point. The talk of a union is so far based around WORKERS RIGHTS not payment. They are trying to say that they work for universities (and the NCAA), and ARE compensated by scholarships, which makes them workers. Therefore they deserve the rights of workers.

I agree this will definitely spiral into student-athletes requesting to be paid, and I do not think they deserve to be. But as of right now, they are simply fighting for workers rights.
- SolidGoldBricks

I would say this is how the big guys are getting their foot in the door for compensation. much easier to get support for the healthcare topic than pay for play.

Did you look at the request to be able to transfer when ever/where ever/as often as they want during their eligibility period.
At the same time as demanding mandatory 4 year scholarships?

This is where some of the argument is.

the union wants to argue that they are compensated in the for of athletic scholarship and they receive this scholarship because they make money for the university by playing the sport. Hence, they are employees and should be able to negotiate better "pay".

If this is the case, then their scholarship, and the subsequent stipends they will also argue for and win, should become taxable income. just like the foreign athletes already have to do.
lets see how they like that.

Also, once that happens, how about the kid who gets an extra science scholarship and performs lab work for a professor that publishes/patents something based off of the work done by students.
Should the academic scholarship become taxable income since that kid helped earn the university money?
- nails

This part of your post was where I was going to end up, but I wanted to nail down; is a scholarship "compensation" in lieu of getting paid for providing a service, and if you are not being compensated via a scholarship, then do other students need to be compensated in some form also.

I would be willing to bet a lot of things, this would happen.
- ImThatGuy

Yes, and that creates a whole host of new problems. Nails brought it up, too. It's a point that I'm not sure has been considered enough yet. But things are very much in their early stages.

I am really just hoping to see the NCAA die.

I would say this is how the big guys are getting their foot in the door for compensation. much easier to get support for the healthcare topic than pay for play.

Did you look at the request to be able to transfer when ever/where ever/as often as they want during their eligibility period.
At the same time as demanding mandatory 4 year scholarships?
- nails

Eagles release WR DeSean Jackson. Whats up with that man?

I would say this is how the big guys are getting their foot in the door for compensation. much easier to get support for the healthcare topic than pay for play.

Did you look at the request to be able to transfer when ever/where ever/as often as they want during their eligibility period.
At the same time as demanding mandatory 4 year scholarships?
- nails

Yeah I did see that, which is ridiculous. I think the transfer rules are pretty solid, aside from your coach having to grant you permission to speak with another coach about possibly transferring (that's how it was when I was in college, not sure if it still is, but saw a few athletes screwed because of it).

Unlimited transfers will undoubtedly lead to quarterbacks going to 4 schools in 4 years trying to find a starting gig, etc. Ridiculous.

4-year scholarships should be mandatory, as long as players don't violate rules/ fall under academic standards etc. If a school is worried about a player showing up and not living up to the hype, recruit better.

I would say this is how the big guys are getting their foot in the door for compensation. much easier to get support for the healthcare topic than pay for play.

Did you look at the request to be able to transfer when ever/where ever/as often as they want during their eligibility period.
At the same time as demanding mandatory 4 year scholarships?
- nails

Oh and yes, this definitely is their way of starting to move towards salaries. Which won't ever work out for them in my opinion. Instead of paying them, they should just remove restrictions on things like autographs. Lets the athletes who are really bringing in the money (manziel, winston, parker, etc.) sell their autographs to make some extra scratch.

It's pretty ridiculous that a school recently had to file an injunction on itself for having given their players too much pasta at a function. That is against NCAA rules. Too much pasta.

Too much pasta is against NCAA rules.

Oh and yes, this definitely is their way of starting to move towards salaries. Which won't ever work out for them in my opinion. Instead of paying them, they should just remove restrictions on things like autographs. Lets the athletes who are really bringing in the money (manziel, winston, parker, etc.) sell their autographs to make some extra scratch.

It's pretty ridiculous that a school recently had to file an injunction on itself for having given their players too much pasta at a function. That is against NCAA rules. Too much pasta.

Too much pasta is against NCAA rules.
- SolidGoldBricks

Actually, the too much pasta thing was just the school self reporting. the NCAA said they appreciate them wanting to self report, but no infraction occurred.
After I looked at that one, I think it was a dig by that institution at the NCAA. Not very smart.
Or, it could be they needed to make their minor violation quota. We have to self report a certain number of minor violations or the NCAA takes a closer look for us.

Now, if I gave them p-butter, we have problems.
or cream cheese.

Yeah I did see that, which is ridiculous. I think the transfer rules are pretty solid, aside from your coach having to grant you permission to speak with another coach about possibly transferring (that's how it was when I was in college, not sure if it still is, but saw a few athletes screwed because of it).

Unlimited transfers will undoubtedly lead to quarterbacks going to 4 schools in 4 years trying to find a starting gig, etc. Ridiculous.

4-year scholarships should be mandatory, as long as players don't violate rules/ fall under academic standards etc. If a school is worried about a player showing up and not living up to the hype, recruit better.
- SolidGoldBricks

In almost all the sports, even at the big schools, it is sooooo hard to not get your scholarship renewed.
we have to provide a quality reason to not renew, and it almost can never be poor performance, unless it is super poor performance.
even then, the student will almost always win the appeal.

Actually, the too much pasta thing was just the school self reporting. the NCAA said they appreciate them wanting to self report, but no infraction occurred.
After I looked at that one, I think it was a dig by that institution at the NCAA. Not very smart.
Or, it could be they needed to make their minor violation quota. We have to self report a certain number of minor violations or the NCAA takes a closer look for us.

Now, if I gave them p-butter, we have problems.
or cream cheese.
- nails

Haha I know, I was trying to bring some levity. I remember when we used to get bagels, but no cream cheese. Those were funny mornings.

Haha I know, I was trying to bring some levity. I remember when we used to get bagels, but no cream cheese. Those were funny mornings.
- SolidGoldBricks

But I can give them meal money and they can buy whatever they want