um no they should be happy they can get a full ride and an education

NCAA is not even close to the CHL, laughable question. Also, CHL players get one year of schooling paid for by the CHL for every year they play juniors. Another reason why Juniors slays NCAA by a Paul Walker mile

No they shouldn't be paid.

Im pretty sure if you go to Canadian junior, they pay for your college education once your finished your junior career once your done if you havnt made the NHL. The question of weather US College is better then Canadian junior, I think the record speaks for its self. Canada is superior for hockey kids start younger and play a NHL like schedule length of season, US college is the second best option though. Doesn't matter if they pay the students. They pretty much both get a free ride either way.

This is something I've wondered about: what happens to Title IX?

I'm assuming that if the NCAA is forced to pay salaries, Title IX gets quashed, but that would take time.

So in theory, if you start paying your football team, you'll have to dedicate that same amount of extra $ towards women's programs.

That's a lot of money to spend. Would they get equivalent salaries? And considering that there are a heckuva lot more football players on a team than field hockey, what would you do with all that extra $?
- Atomic Wedgie

Title IX wouldn't be effected. Also, Title IX is enforced far less than you probably think it is.

The average US school ( that means most of them) Lose $3m annually on football. The select few actually make money, a lot of it.
- fvineze

That's because of the NCAA though. There is money being made on college football, it just isn't getting given to the institutions that make it. Conferences make a lot of money as well, but that gets distributed to the teams within the conference. The NCAA is making a huge share of the profits.

To pay the players, I think the understanding is that the NCAA would be losing money (1/3rd of their revenue from what I've heard).

I'm sure they are excellent at playing with numbers.. Scholarships cost the school nothing since the student wouldn't go there without them so they shoudln't count as an expense but surely do.

I also assumed we were talking about real D1 football. I doubt the d5 teams have more than rec league players or coaches.
- muffin_man

Bingo. They can subtract so many things from their earnings to get to the reported profits. Things like scholarships aren't actually costing them what they are allowed to subtract.

um no they should be happy they can get a full ride and an education
- 2Real

Bingo. If they decide to not take the education part seriously and bank on making it big time in the pros, that is on them.

Bingo.

Bingo. If they decide to not take the education part seriously and bank on making it big time in the pros, that is on them.
- ImThatGuy

Agreed. But let them sell their autographs, etc. If some fan wants to buy them a xbox, let them.

Bingo.
- Not_Yan

Eklund: Should US College Hockey Players Get Paid? Would More Leave Juniors?
- Eklund

I don't think its possible to pay players. The NCAA power teams would be just fine, but the majority of schools would have trouble paying all of their athletes. There are laws that will not allow them to only pay the supreme male athletes. If you pay one, you need to pay all of them including women.

The only change I would like to see made, is for colleges to GUARANTEE scholarships no matter what. If a player leaves early to play professionally, he should be able to come back and finish school at a later date. If a player gets injured or isn't as good as he or she is supposed to be, he or she should not have their scholarship taken away. Once it's given it should never be rescinded.

I don't think its possible to pay players. The NCAA power teams would be just fine, but the majority of schools would have trouble paying all of their athletes. There are laws that will not allow them to only pay the supreme male athletes. If you pay one, you need to pay all of them including women.

The only change I would like to see made, is for colleges to GUARANTEE scholarships no matter what. If a player leaves early to play professionally, he should be able to come back and finish school at a later date. If a player gets injured or isn't as good as he or she is supposed to be, he or she should not have their scholarship taken away. Once it's given it should never be rescinded.
- PhillySportsGuy

The scholarship point is one of their main ones. To follow-up on that, they also want scholarships to extend into grad school in the following situation:
1. The player was red shirted as a freshman
2. The player graduates in 4 years
3. The player decides to stay and compete in their 5th year
4. To do so, the player begins grad school on scholarship

This is so that players aren't taking an arbitrary year of grad school and then not being able to afford it once they are done their 5 years of competing.

I am not sure if I agree with this or not, but I know it was one of the main points the guys from Northwestern brought up when they initially filed.

The scholarship point is one of their main ones. To follow-up on that, they also want scholarships to extend into grad school in the following situation:
1. The player was red shirted as a freshman
2. The player graduates in 4 years
3. The player decides to stay and compete in their 5th year
4. To do so, the player begins grad school on scholarship

This is so that players aren't taking an arbitrary year of grad school and then not being able to afford it once they are done their 5 years of competing.

I am not sure if I agree with this or not, but I know it was one of the main points the guys from Northwestern brought up when they initially filed.
- SolidGoldBricks

I just find it contradictory. Schools argue about the importance of education, then enroll a student athlete in the "grad school program" so he can stay an extra year and play quarterback.

The whole idea of college athletics is stupid. NA is the only place where 18 year olds capable of playing professionally go to college. If you want to pursue a professional sport, you should be able to pursue it. Then, go to college later.

I just find it contradictory. Schools argue about the importance of education, then enroll a student athlete in the "grad school program" so he can stay an extra year and play quarterback.

The whole idea of college athletics is stupid. NA is the only place where 18 year olds capable of playing professionally go to college. If you want to pursue a professional sport, you should be able to pursue it. Then, go to college later.
- PhillySportsGuy

Big time college athletics stopped being about the "student athlete" a LONG time ago. This isn't the 1950's and there is no Daddy Coach looking out for all the players to hope they have a good life after college sports.

Big time college athletics has been a big business for a LONG time now. It's a business that relies on labor that is "paid" but a fraction of the revenue that they pull down. Furthermore, the NCAA has the gall to impose a bunch of rules that makes the life of a "student athlete" be far more complicated than what would be allowed for a normal student.

Honestly, it really comes down to one thing. If you still believe in the "student athlete" myth, you can't hold an intelligent conversation on this subject and the intransigent notion of "they get paid with a scholarship" is beyond laughable.

The athletes deserve a bigger piece of the pie that they help bake.

College players are paid-- in tuition. And at most schools, especially hockey schools that is a darn good salary plus the connections they make.

There are some things that go on that are crap however, such as a career ending injury causing one to lose their scholarship.

College players are paid-- in tuition. And at most schools, especially hockey schools that is a darn good salary plus the connections they make.


- BluemanGuruu

Why not put in monetary terms what the scholarship costs and simply pay the players that money and forgo the notion that they are students?

They can be paid as independent contractors.

That would be better than the deal they get today.

Hell no...they get everything for free now. If they don't like it don't go. Workout and train on your own, then go get drafted. Cry babies. Sick of this entitlement mentality.

Bingo.
- Not_Yan

Disagree.

Hell no...they get everything for free now. If they don't like it don't go. Workout and train on your own, then go get drafted. Cry babies. Sick of this entitlement mentality.
- hellbentformetal

Football players have to wait 3 years before they can play professionally. The NFL is in the pocket of the NCAA in this regard. Players don't have a place to play other than going to college. Trust me, many of them don't care about getting a college education.

Again: giving out a scholarship costs a school nothing. And again, this is a dumb argument in general because nobody is asking to be paid. They are asking for workers rights, and that is entirely different. They acknowledge that they are receiving payment in the form of a free education.

Why not put in monetary terms what the scholarship costs and simply pay the players that money and forgo the notion that they are students?

They can be paid as independent contractors.

That would be better than the deal they get today.
- johndewar

OR just dont pay them at all.
Who is better off honestly?

Player X who gets a 4 year full ride, but does not make it pro-
has $0 student loan debt

Student X who pays 4 years tuition, room and board -
$100,000+ student loan debt with 6% interest.

Big time college athletics stopped being about the "student athlete" a LONG time ago. This isn't the 1950's and there is no Daddy Coach looking out for all the players to hope they have a good life after college sports.

Big time college athletics has been a big business for a LONG time now. It's a business that relies on labor that is "paid" but a fraction of the revenue that they pull down. Furthermore, the NCAA has the gall to impose a bunch of rules that makes the life of a "student athlete" be far more complicated than what would be allowed for a normal student.

Honestly, it really comes down to one thing. If you still believe in the "student athlete" myth, you can't hold an intelligent conversation on this subject and the intransigent notion of "they get paid with a scholarship" is beyond laughable.

The athletes deserve a bigger piece of the pie that they help bake.
- johndewar

Exactly. The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to resist having to pay players years and years ago. People just don't understand the facts here. The NCAA is a large, useless governing body that is making all of the money. The schools aren't getting rich off of their athletes, the NCAA is.

Football players have to wait 3 years before they can play professionally. The NFL is in the pocket of the NCAA in this regard. Players don't have a place to play other than going to college. Trust me, many of them don't care about getting a college education.

Again: giving out a scholarship costs a school nothing. And again, this is a dumb argument in general because nobody is asking to be paid. They are asking for workers rights, and that is entirely different. They acknowledge that they are receiving payment in the form of a free education.
- SolidGoldBricks

I thought they were asking to be paid though, at least at Northwestern.

I will say the first time a student athlete is paid, will be the end of competition. For D1 football, schools like Alabama, Florida, Michigan, Notre Dame, will pay players top dollar and other schools wont be able to compete with the "prices."

Exactly. The term "student athlete" was invented by the NCAA to resist having to pay players years and years ago. People just don't understand the facts here. The NCAA is a large, useless governing body that is making all of the money. The schools aren't getting rich off of their athletes, the NCAA is.
- SolidGoldBricks

This I will agree with. the NCAA is a joke.

I thought they were asking to be paid though, at least at Northwestern.

I will say the first time a student athlete is paid, will be the end of competition. For D1 football, schools like Alabama, Florida, Michigan, Noter Dame, will pay players top dollar and other schools wont be able to compete with the "prices."
- ImThatGuy

They are not. They have made it clear that they are not. I am sure that the idea is to ask for this down the road, but currently payment has nothing to do with it.

The focus is on healthcare and scholarships. Extended healthcare for injuries sustained playing sports for an NCAA institution (I think the focus here is on head injuries that present problems later in life). Scholarships relate to what I described above with the grad school situation, along with further assurances that athletes won't lose their scholarships due to injury and the like.