Pretty much says they lose more often then not agaisnt teams that are better 5-on-5. And that they Flyers are not a good 5-on-5 team...


Which reinforces my opinion that if they are going to win games against the Rangers it will be with special teams and match-ups.
- SchennBros

It's actually prety close. And it doesn't reinforce that. Because you have to look at each game and see why they lost. The Flyers didn't lose last night, because of the system, or because the Rangers are just better. They were certainly better last night. But there is something the Flyers can do about that. Because they certainly didn't play their best Hockey. Hockey always comes down to the same things. It's never about a system.

With out the players executing the system, a system is worhtless. No system wins a game. Without Brodeur, Stevens, Neidermayer, and others, the system wouldn't have meant squat. Any system can be beaten.
If what you're saying is true, then the Flyers can't beat the Rangers. And that is false.
- MJL

I'm saying the rangers have players that execute thier system. And that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying the Flyers LIKELY wont win a 5-on-5 game against the rangers in a long series. What will make them LIKEY to win is the ability to get on the PP and execute the PP.

That is what I am saying. And Hawks stats back that up.

Wuss!
- Flyersgod

It's actually prety close. And it doesn't reinforce that. Because you have to look at each game and see why they lost. The Flyers didn't lose last night, because of the system, or because the Rangers are just better. They were certainly better last night. But there is something the Flyers can do about that. Because they certainly didn't play their best Hockey. Hockey always comes down to the same things. It's never about a system.
- MJL

So you don't think the Rangers are a tough matchup for the Flyers? You don't think match ups matter in the NHL?

I'm saying the rangers have players that execute thier system. And that is not what I'm saying. I'm saying the Flyers LIKELY wont win a 5-on-5 game against the rangers in a long series. What will make them LIKEY to win is the ability to get on the PP and execute the PP.

That is what I am saying. And Hawks stats back that up.
- SchennBros

The Flyers have shown that they can outplay top teams at 5 on 5 play. If the Flyers play the way they're capable of, they can beat and out play the Rangers at any man power situation. The stats provided show that the Flyers have beaten a top 5 on 5 team 11 times. That is not a mirage. The Flyers handily beating Pittsburgh, Chicago, L.A., and St. Louis is not a mirage. It actually happened. And they outplayed all 4 teams.

So you don't think the Rangers are a tough matchup for the Flyers? You don't think match ups matter in the NHL?
- PhillySportsGuy

I think the Rangers are a very tough matchup. Every playoff team the Flyers will face will be a tough matchup. There is nothing in any statement that I've made that implies that I don't think it would be a tough matchup. So I have no idea where that is coming from.

It's actually prety close. And it doesn't reinforce that. Because you have to look at each game and see why they lost. The Flyers didn't lose last night, because of the system, or because the Rangers are just better. They were certainly better last night. But there is something the Flyers can do about that. Because they certainly didn't play their best Hockey. Hockey always comes down to the same things. It's never about a system.
- MJL

Why bother having coaches then? Why not tell the players to go out and just play hard...

If the Flyers are 25th overall in 5-on-5 play and are what... 16-18... I cant remember what he said, against teams that are in the top 10, how do you think they are beating these teams.... ANSWER... special teams. otherwise thier 5-on-5 stats would be better.

And that is the answer to beating the Rangers. Who employee the right players and the right system that just so happens to give the Flyers players and the Flyers systems issues at 5-on-5.

Do the Flyers have to play better... Yes. They need to push play and MAKE the Rangers take penalities. So the Flyers can go on the PP and turn the game in thier advantage.

So what are the great topics of debate we are tackling today??

Or is it just the usual:
Grossmann sucks
VL sucks
Coburn sucks
Timonen's old
Rinaldo sucks
and, last but not least, its all Rosehill's fault!

just please don't let it be rape or politics!!

The Flyers have shown that they can outplay top teams at 5 on 5 play. If the Flyers play the way they're capable of, they can beat and out play the Rangers at any man power situation. The stats provided show that the Flyers have beaten a top 5 on 5 team 11 times. That is not a mirage. The Flyers handily beating Pittsburgh, Chicago, L.A., and St. Louis is not a mirage. It actually happened. And they outplayed all 4 teams.
- MJL

They lost to LA and were out played... and agianst a team that plays a similiar system as the Rangers... with the Best goalie in hockey...

Any team can win any time. And the Flyers can beat teams that are good at 5-on-5. But they are UNLIKEY to do it over a 7 game series UNLESS they get PPs and execute them.

Now I'm done argueing semantics with you.

I think the Rangers are a very tough matchup. Every playoff team the Flyers will face will be a tough matchup. There is nothing in any statement that I've made that implies that I don't think it would be a tough matchup. So I have no idea where that is coming from.
- MJL

I'm saying the Rangers look like the best team in the NHL when they play the Flyers.

I'm saying the Rangers look like the best team in the NHL when they play the Flyers.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah, that's the truth, especially at the garden. It's been a house of horror for the Flyers for a while now.

Why bother having coaches then? Why not tell the players to go out and just play hard...

If the Flyers are 25th overall in 5-on-5 play and are what... 16-18... I cant remember what he said, against teams that are in the top 10, how do you think they are beating these teams.... ANSWER... special teams. otherwise thier 5-on-5 stats would be better.

And that is the answer to beating the Rangers. Who employee the right players and the right system that just so happens to give the Flyers players and the Flyers systems issues at 5-on-5.

Do the Flyers have to play better... Yes. They need to push play and MAKE the Rangers take penalities. So the Flyers can go on the PP and turn the game in thier advantage.
- SchennBros

The Flyers 5 on 5 stats are based over the entire Season, against a wide range of opponents. And simply watching some of the recent games shows that the Flyers can outplay top teams at 5 on 5. It's not just happening with special teams.
Every team needs a structure and a game plan to play with. But that alone cannot, and never has won games. Players win games.
The Rangers don't have some secret system that the Flyers are incapable of beating. So much is misunderstood about systems in Hockey and what they are.
And the key to the Flyers beating the Rangers or any team for that matter, is to support the puck, win board battles, outnumber the opposition, instead of being outnumbered. Get the puck to the net and crash the net. Check well defensively. And on and on. Forget about the systems. Not going to decide who wins or loses. Never has, and never will.

I'm saying the Rangers look like the best team in the NHL when they play the Flyers.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't see that. I saw why the Flyers lost last night. And it's not all about the Rangers. Although they certainly deserve some credit.

The Flyers 5 on 5 stats are based over the entire Season, against a wide range of opponents. And simply watching some of the recent games shows that the Flyers can outplay top teams at 5 on 5. It's not just happening with special teams.
Every team needs a structure and a game plan to play with. But that alone cannot, and never has won games. Players win games.
The Rangers don't have some secret system that the Flyers are incapable of beating. So much is misunderstood about systems in Hockey and what they are.
And the key to the Flyers beating the Rangers or any team for that matter, is to support the puck, win board battles, outnumber the opposition, instead of being outnumbered. Get the puck to the net and crash the net. Check well defensively. And on and on. Forget about the systems. Not going to decide who wins or loses. Never has, and never will.
- MJL

Systems may not decide who wins and loses, but they do matter. Some teams are designed to be successful playing a certain system. Look at the Flyers this year. They simply lacked the personnel to play Lavi's system effectively, however do have the horses to play Berube's. Of course, nothing is more important than working hard and winning one on one battles, and the Flyers did a very poor job of that last night, but systems and more importantly the ability to execute a system properly and consistently, do matter.

They lost to LA and were out played... and agianst a team that plays a similiar system as the Rangers... with the Best goalie in hockey...

Any team can win any time. And the Flyers can beat teams that are good at 5-on-5. But they are UNLIKEY to do it over a 7 game series UNLESS they get PPs and execute them.

Now I'm done argueing semantics with you.
- SchennBros

If the Flyers play their game, they can compete against any team in the League, in any man power situation. And the Flyers can certainly beat the Rangers in a 7 game series, even without scoring a lot of PP goals. No doubt about it. And the Flyers have beaten LA this year.

The Flyers 5 on 5 stats are based over the entire Season, against a wide range of opponents. And simply watching some of the recent games shows that the Flyers can outplay top teams at 5 on 5. It's not just happening with special teams.
Every team needs a structure and a game plan to play with. But that alone cannot, and never has won games. Players win games.
The Rangers don't have some secret system that the Flyers are incapable of beating. So much is misunderstood about systems in Hockey and what they are.
And the key to the Flyers beating the Rangers or any team for that matter, is to support the puck, win board battles, outnumber the opposition, instead of being outnumbered. Get the puck to the net and crash the net. Check well defensively. And on and on. Forget about the systems. Not going to decide who wins or loses. Never has, and never will.
- MJL

I finally get what everyone was talking about. Congrats. You are the first person that has ever made me what to throw my computer across the room. If I stop talking will you think you won and go away?



BTW... I think you just proved that systems do work. Good Day.

I don't see that. I saw why the Flyers lost last night. And it's not all about the Rangers. Although they certainly deserve some credit.
- MJL

The Flyers did not play well, but the Rangers do deserve a lot of credit. Unlike the Flyers, they kept their skates moving, supported each other very well and won most of the board battles in their defensive zone. They also got momentum changing saves when needed and timely goal scoring.

Systems may not decide who wins and loses, but they do matter. Some teams are designed to be successful playing a certain system. Look at the Flyers this year. They simply lacked the personnel to play Lavi's system effectively, however do have the horses to play Berube's. Of course, nothing is more important than working hard and winning one on one battles, and the Flyers did a very poor job of that last night, but systems and more importantly the ability to execute a system properly and consistently, do matter.
- BiggE

In that context they do matter. The Flyers simply did not have the players to play the style that Laviolette wanted them to play.
But systems had zero to do with why the Flyers lost last night. And zero to do with whether the Flyers can beat the Rangers in a 7 game series.

The Flyers did not play well, but the Rangers do deserve a lot of credit. Unlike the Flyers, they kept their skates moving, supported each other very well and won most of the board battles in their defensive zone. They also got momentum changing saves when needed and timely goal scoring.
- BiggE

I think so much of it has to do with confidence. The Rangers feel like they'll win while the Flyers don't think they will. Every board battle looked like that too.

Ugh.

Welp, at least the Rangers fans cleared out.

Ugh.

Welp, at least the Rangers fans cleared out.
- Pixote Andolini

Please bring them back.

I think so much of it has to do with confidence. The Rangers feel like they'll win while the Flyers don't think they will. Every board battle looked like that too.
- PhillySportsGuy

Absolutely
For years the Flyers absolutely owned the Pens at the Spectrum. Did they bring their "A" game every time they played Pittsburgh? Of course not, but the Pens would come into those games expecting to lose and thats a recipe for disaster.

The only way to overcome it is to jump on them early bang a goal or 2 past CSP and win the game. Win one, just one, and the dam will open and the weight gets lifted off of your shoulders.

Ugh.

Welp, at least the Rangers fans cleared out.
- Pixote Andolini

I liked McDonagh a lot before the Ranger fans started touting him as the best defenseman in hockey.

Absolutely
For years the Flyers absolutely owned the Pens at the Spectrum. Did they bring their "A" game every time they played Pittsburgh? Of course not, but the Pens would come into those games expecting to lose and thats a recipe for disaster.

The only way to overcome it is to jump on them early bang a goal or 2 past CSP and win the game. Win one, just one, and the dam will open and the weight gets lifted off of your shoulders.
- BiggE

Exactly. Last night felt so familiar. I think all 8 losses have followed the same blueprint. Its uncanny.

Flyers need to jump on them early. Rangers are always tough when they score first.

It appears playing from behind is finally catching up with them.

I liked McDonagh a lot before the Ranger fans started touting him as the best defenseman in hockey.
- PhillySportsGuy

Typical Ranger fan, almost as bad as Leafs fans.