Exactly. And this only further points out the limitations and flaws in all of these stats. As FlyersSteve pointed out, every stat needs another stat to get to the right conclusion. And they all have to be looked at together in the correct context. And then be analyzed properly. And then there are the human elements that come into play with causation vs correlation and confirmation bias. And we've seen on this very forum how they can be mis-used to criticize a player unfairly.

Here's the bottom line. Give the stats the proper weight they deserve, which is very little, and watch the game. An educated and informed fan can come to the proper conclusion without them.
- MJL

- Tomahawk

Not really. How is the QoC of any one player compiled? What is the base state that is used to compile that rating?
- MJL

It's pretty much the +/- of a player compared to the team's +/- and weighted for ice team compared to ice time of the average team mate.

It's pretty much the +/- of a player compared to the team's +/- and weighted for ice team compared to ice time of the average team mate.
- FlyersSteve118

It's not really +/-, it's Corsi based is it not?

It's pretty much the +/- of a player compared to the team's +/- and weighted for ice team compared to ice time of the average team mate.
- FlyersSteve118

So, Steve Downie > Alex Ovechkin?

So, Steve Downie > Alex Ovechkin?
- jmatchett383

In his own end? Seems that way.

In his own end? Seems that way.
- jak521

I'm just saying that a weighted +/- to ice time comparison would probably say that Steve Downie is a superior player compared to Alexander Ovechkin.

I'm just saying that a weighted +/- to ice time comparison would probably say that Steve Downie is a superior player compared to Alexander Ovechkin.
- jmatchett383

The guy is -31. It can't really be that hard to score against this guy can it?

Last night was my fault...
I watched the first two periods and in disgust did something else for the beginning of the third. Walked back in the room and the Kings scored. I left again in the hopes they would rally...


Alas the curse was already firmly in place.

It's not really +/-, it's Corsi based is it not?
- MJL

There is a thing called relative corsi which is measured in the same way and QoC but gives a corsi number instead. That might be used when you see Corsi Rel QoC.

The guy is -31. It can't really be that hard to score against this guy can it?
- FlyersSteve118

He also doesn't play on a line with 2 premier shutdown players.

Last night was my fault...
I watched the first two periods and in disgust did something else for the beginning of the third. Walked back in the room and the Kings scored. I left again in the hopes they would rally...


Alas the curse was already firmly in place.
- FlyersGrace

Build a bridge out of her!

The guy is -31. It can't really be that hard to score against this guy can it?
- FlyersSteve118

He has been out on the ice for 57 goals against, OR, 42% of the goals against at ES.

He's the cat from Red Dwarf.

"How am I looking? I'm looking nice!"


- wolfhounds

"I'm so excited all six of my nipples are tingling! "

He has been out on the ice for 57 goals against, OR, 42% of the goals against at ES.
- jak521

Most players couldn't puck that many pucks in their own net if they were shooting on their own goalie.

There is a thing called relative corsi which is measured in the same way and QoC but gives a corsi number instead. That might be used when you see Corsi Rel QoC.
- FlyersSteve118

I'm aware of all of the subsets of Corsi. Bottom line is that QoC is badly flawed.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=711109

"I'm so excited all six of my nipples are tingling! "
- twotoekenn

I need to start rewatching that series.

Jason Lewis blog with a very nice piece on his experience in Philly as a Kings fan.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=58913

I need to start rewatching that series.
- wolfhounds

i got it for christmas, i need to sit down and have a marathon

I'd like to see the flyers use MacDonald more on the pp. Let's see what he's got before we give him a bunch of money.

I like him so far. Has helped out the d a ton.

i got it for christmas, i need to sit down and have a marathon
- -davies-

I think you should apologize to the Pens fan

I'd like to see the flyers use MacDonald more on the pp. Let's see what he's got before we give him a bunch of money.

I like him so far. Has helped out the d a ton.
- Flyersgod

Hes on the 2nd unit. I don't see a place for him on the top unit.

Advanced stats people =

Hes on the 2nd unit. I don't see a place for him on the top unit.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah...

Just feel like I never see him on the PP. Maybe cause the second unit stinks or something...