Would you rather have Bergeron or Ovechkin?
- PhillySportsGuy

Bergeron had better be able to directly stop at least 30-40 goals against because that's what it's going to take to make up the difference in output.

Ovechkin or Toews?
- PhillySportsGuy

I'd take Ovechkin over everyone except a handful of guys

Fair enough -- I overstated by saying people said he was a "bad player." My overstatement.

I don't know how to equate everyone's definition of better -- I can only gauge the Caps off what I see. I see them infrequently, but they rely on the PP when I do.

Could they do it differently? Maybe. But I don't know that. I don't follow them closely enough to know whether Ovechkin sacrificing offense for defense would have them winning more games. If I watched them more often, I'd probably have a better feel.
- AllInForFlyers

Well, we've had this discussion before. I think playing defense will lead to more and better offensive opportunities. So I don't think there is any sacrifice of offense involved, in playing better away from the puck.

Would you rather have Bergeron or Ovechkin?
- PhillySportsGuy

Bergeron, no question.

I'd take Ovechkin over everyone except a handful of guys
- PLindbergh31

Who is the handful?

Ovechkin or Toews?
- PhillySportsGuy

No brainer. Toews.

Who is the handful?
- PhillySportsGuy

Crosby, Stamkos, Toews, Giroux, JVR.

Bergeron had better be able to directly stop at least 30-40 goals against because that's what it's going to take to make up the difference in output.
- Tomahawk

He has 18 less points. I won't even get into his match ups, defensive zone starts, PK ability and face-off percentage. I guess I kind of did get into it.

Were you being sarcastic?

Crosby, Stamkos, Toews, Giroux, JVR.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

No brainer. Toews.
- MJL

For some

Still feeling good about your OHL pick?
- PhillySportsGuy

Yes, why wouldn't I

Yes, why wouldn't I
- ob18

London looks goooooood

Bergeron had better be able to directly stop at least 30-40 goals against because that's what it's going to take to make up the difference in output.
- Tomahawk

Ovechkin has 69 points. Bergeron has 51

Ovechkin has 69 points. Bergeron has 51
- MJL

And a +/- differential of 67...

Ill take my chances against him at ES. He seems to be on the ice for a lot of goals against.
- PhillySportsGuy

Good point. But he still scares the bejeesuz out of me when he has the puck.

These Player A vs. Ovechkin arguments need context. What is the makeup of the rest of the team? On a team full of Bergerons, an Ovechkin is more of a need.

And a +/- differential of 67...
- FlyersSteve118

These Player A vs. Ovechkin arguments need context. What is the makeup of the rest of the team. On a team full of Bergerons, an Ovechkin is more of a need.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

Good point. But I think you win more with a Bergeron then an Ovechkin.

After 1

Oshawa - 1
Mississauga - 1

Laughton with an assist

London looks goooooood
- PhillySportsGuy

I know, if I'm wrong I'd still be happy.

Depends on style of play, and the other guys I'd have on the roster.

But if those were the two best players available in a draft, I'd pick Ovechkin -- for the simple fact that, as has been noted, you can't win a game 0-0.
- AllInForFlyers

I'll take the dude. And all his warts.

These Player A vs. Ovechkin arguments need context. What is the makeup of the rest of the team. On a team full of Bergerons, an Ovechkin is more of a need.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

You are picking a team and the best two players left are Bergeron and Ovechkin. Your only other player is Jay Rosehill.

Good point. But I think you win more with a Bergeron then an Ovechkin.
- MJL

You just can't have a liability of that magnitude that takes up 15% of your cap space.

Good point. But I think you win more with a Bergeron then an Ovechkin.
- MJL

Most definitely - as has been proven in the past handful of seasons.

He has 18 less points. I won't even get into his match ups, defensive zone starts, PK ability and face-off percentage. I guess I kind of did get into it.

Were you being sarcastic?
- PhillySportsGuy

No, not being sarcastic.

Bergeron sees a steady diet of the other team's top forwards, OV sees a steady diet of the other team's top D. Neither situation is easy to score under. Bergeron could get the same usage as OV and not even come close to scoring the same amount of goals... OV's just a machine.

Btw, why do OV and Kessel get all the heat, but Stamkos gets a pass? He's similarly weak defensively.