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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 25 @ 7:06 PM ET
It's only a study of ES possession as well... and the Flyers are basically holding steady. If you know your team is riding improved PP, PK and goaltending to wins, what's there to get worked up over, right?





I must have missed the part in the article where it claimed to tell the entire story.

- Tomahawk



I dont understand why people think we believe these stats are the end all be all.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 7:07 PM ET
Are you serious?

The Caps are 4-0-1 in their last five, with the loss a 2-1 defeat in a shootout.

Yes, they are 5-4-1 in their last 10. Again: A snapshot.

4-0-1...also a snapshot. Which in that case, means "hot."

- AllInForFlyers


Yes, I'm serious. They're pretty much even in their last 10 games. 4-0-1 s good in the last 5. So how many PP goals did they score in the last 5 or 10 games?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 25 @ 7:07 PM ET
You must have. The language used in the article clearly points out that the author feels that the stats he provides are definitive and tell the whole story. Not to mention that the article doesn't contain anything other then possession stats.

I'm a big fan of Travis Yost. He wrote some great stuff during the lockout. But he drastically over relies on statistical data in my opinion. And that's one of the problems I have with some of the advanced stats disciples.

- MJL



OK, we get it, you don't like stats... you can stop repeating yourself now and let other people talk hockey.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 7:08 PM ET
OK, we get it, you don't like stats... you can stop repeating yourself now and let other people talk hockey.
- Tomahawk


That is not the case. I have no problem with stats. I don't like the misuse or overuse of stats. Nor am I stopping anyone from talking Hockey.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 25 @ 7:09 PM ET

I dont understand why people think we believe these stats are the end all be all.

- PhillySportsGuy



Go watch a game nerd.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 7:10 PM ET

I dont understand why people think we believe these stats are the end all be all.

- PhillySportsGuy


Because the stance of some is you are either for or against them & not using both together which we know NHL teams themselves to some degree admit they do & now have full time people on staff to assist them with what they see with their own eyes.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 7:10 PM ET
Go watch a game nerd.
- Tomahawk


I plan on it when Oshawa begins in 20 minutes.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 25 @ 7:11 PM ET
Blues are in Toronto tonight. This should be fun
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 25 @ 7:11 PM ET
I plan on it when Oshawa begins in 20 minutes.
- ob18


I was wondering which one you'd choose.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Mar 25 @ 7:11 PM ET
Yes, I'm serious. They're pretty much even in their last 10 games. 4-0-1 s good in the last 5. So how many PP goals did they score in the last 5 or 10 games?
- MJL


Here we go:
In the last five games:

4-3 win over Vancouver: 1 PP goal
4-2 win over Toronto: 2 PP goals
3-2 win over Anaheim: 2 PP goals
2-1 loss to LA (SO): O PP goals
3-2 win over San Jose (SO): O PP goals

Just a quick glance at those results...kinda gives you the feel that Washington might struggle to score 3 goals in regulation without the use of...the PP.

Which kinda gives you an idea that maybe they do kinda struggle at even strength.

Which was what Yost's chart indicates...and kinda what I interpreted in, like, 15 seconds, based on the fact that I already knew that their PP was lethal.

That's what OB just said -- you use BOTH.

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 25 @ 7:11 PM ET
Because the stance of some is you are either for or against them & not using both together which we know NHL teams themselves to some degree admit they do & now have full time people on staff to assist them with what they see with their own eyes.
- ob18



This.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 7:12 PM ET
I was wondering which one you'd choose.
- PhillySportsGuy


I prefer the OHL but for now I am watching Rimouski
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Mar 25 @ 7:13 PM ET
I caught him over on the Pens thread. I do hope he hasn't fled forever, despite the recent objections sustained.
- BulliesPhan87



ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 7:13 PM ET
This.
- Tomahawk


Great I used my one good post on a Tuesday
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Mar 25 @ 7:14 PM ET
Aren't they 12-3-1 in their last 16?
- aightwebang17



serious downturn
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 25 @ 7:15 PM ET
Great I used my one good post on a Tuesday
- ob18


I bet you have one more good one in you
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 03.29.2011

Mar 25 @ 7:16 PM ET

sums up last night
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 25 @ 7:17 PM ET

- -davies-


He's watching you.

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Mar 25 @ 7:18 PM ET
Simmonds on NYR: "If we play them in the playoffs, they’re going to definitely know what the Philadelphia Flyers are bringing to the table.”

WAYNE TRAIN

- KGBflyers10

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Mar 25 @ 7:19 PM ET
He's watching you.


- PhillySportsGuy



PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Mar 25 @ 7:21 PM ET

- Tomahawk


It was remarkably easy to find a picture with a Corgi and Penguin.
dillpx183
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Marietta, PA
Joined: 02.26.2011

Mar 25 @ 7:22 PM ET

I dont understand why people think we believe these stats are the end all be all.

- PhillySportsGuy


was back reading and its nothing but advanced stats. ugh....can I end all this corsi and crazy stats stuff? I am a scientist, I have a degree in biochemistry and molecular biology and I don't give two poops about your crazy advanced stats. watching the games is all I need to know, observation, purest form or research.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 25 @ 7:23 PM ET
Here we go:
In the last five games:

4-3 win over Vancouver: 1 PP goal
4-2 win over Toronto: 2 PP goals
3-2 win over Anaheim: 2 PP goals
2-1 loss to LA (SO): O PP goals
3-2 win over San Jose (SO): O PP goals

Just a quick glance at those results...kinda gives you the feel that Washington might struggle to score 3 goals in regulation without the use of...the PP.

Which kinda gives you an idea that maybe they do kinda struggle at even strength.

Which was what Yost's chart indicates...and kinda what I interpreted in, like, 15 seconds, based on the fact that I already knew that their PP was lethal.

That's what OB just said -- you use BOTH.

- AllInForFlyers


Washington leads the NHL in PP goals. And that's due in part to having the two probably best PP performers in the NHL in Backstrom and Ovechkin. And that can get you in trouble in you over rely on the PP. But Washington has scored 122 5 on 5 goals compared to 129 5 on 5 goals for the Flyers. So if Washington struggles in 5 on 5 play, do the Flyers also?
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Mar 25 @ 7:23 PM ET
what do you get when you mix moral indignation with radical inattention to detail?

http://the700level.com/fo...for-signing-michael-vick/
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Mar 25 @ 7:23 PM ET
Well, the night is still young

- BiggE

just wait for nutter
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