He'll get 7+ million per when all is said and done still.

July 1st brings out the crazy in ppl.
- dadeadhead

+1 hell get paid hansomely

It sounds like the GM's are the one driving the issue as it was brought up at a GM meeting. My guess the franchises that are doing well (Boston, St Louis, LA) teams that didn't tank to get to where they are (not you Pittsburgh, Chicago) are the ones driving this issue. I think its crap that because the next draft supposedly has the next Crosby-like player in McDavid and another franchise stud in Eichel that its coming up now but whatever until I see a live "lottery" there will always be the conspiracies surrounding it. Look at the NBA lottery's and the questionable "winners" the last few years.
- Stripes77

St Louis tanked the same way we are. Our rebuild looks much like theirs.

Well it cost him on the return.

They'd of gotten a later 1st from Anaheim had they ate part of his salary.

The Islander fans suffer from Wang ownership.
- dadeadhead

I agree.

Snow isnt great, but my god, how far can Wang throw Snow under the bus there.

We have a decent return available to recoup some of the assets we threw away for Vanek, but no I don't wanna retain salary, I would rather have my GM that I won't fire get lambasted

I agree.

Snow isnt great, but my god, how far can Wang throw Snow under the bus there.

We have a decent return available to recoup some of the assets we threw away for Vanek, but no I don't wanna retain salary, I would rather have my GM that I won't fire get lambasted
- sbroads24

And at this point Snow isn't going to quit unless it gets really bad.. he can't get another job in his position in the NHL with his resume

St Louis tanked the same way we are. Our rebuild looks much like theirs.
- dadeadhead

Do we have a point or are we just complaining? Would Miller, Pomminville, Vanek, and Gaustad have made us a cup winner? We didnt even make the playoffs with all of them recently. So our rebuild is unacceptable - because "Crosby 2" is up for grabs?

Eff this league if we suck and dont get a top 2 pick in 15.

And at this point Snow isn't going to quit unless it gets really bad.. he can't get another job in his position in the NHL with his resume
- IndianaSabresFan

Also, they will eventually turn the corner with the pieces he put there. I'm sure hed like to see that through

Again not calling him a good GM

St Louis tanked the same way we are. Our rebuild looks much like theirs.
- dadeadhead

Johnson was their only top 3 pick in the last 10 years and only drafted in the top 10 twice counting Johnson. The next highest pick was 4th. They made a great trade to get Schwartz and Tarensenko 2 picks apart in the 2010 draft. But i wouldnt say they tanked. They drafted very well.

They did have one draft with 3 first round picks and all of them made the NHL

Also, they will eventually turn the corner with the pieces he put there. I'm sure hed like to see that through

Again not calling him a good GM
- sbroads24

i thought they would do that this season.. but they still failed to get a real goalie and shore up the defense.. then they went and lost mcdonald and moulson, that set them back.

Johnson was their only top 3 pick in the last 10 years and only drafted in the top 10 twice counting Johnson. The next highest pick was 4th. They made a great trade to get Schwartz and Tarensenko 2 picks apart in the 2010 draft. But i wouldnt say they tanked. They drafted very well.

They did have one draft with 3 first round picks and all of them made the NHL
- Stripes77

IMO we are rebuilding in the mold of Chicago.

We have a foundation in place on the blueline and we will draft our Toews/Kane in the next 2 seasons and be ready to go.

Fair enough - I didnt know that - so I will have to read that article that was posted.

I know Bettman came from the NBA - that doesnt mean that he is driving these issues (I dont know that for sure), but in the recent past they have failed keeping this league financially viable - the reason for the last two lockouts. The NFL makes money hands over fist - while the NBA is barely treading water - but we think it is best to follow in the footsteps of the NBA?

I still think that it is better to be seen than heard, and Pegula, as much as I liked what he said, stepped in a pile of turd by opening his mouth. He should have been more conservative in his rhetoric and just done what he wanted to do operationally without flapping his gums all over the place.
- atlsabsfan

The NFL makes so much money because of the TV contracts. All the advertising and stuff. It's the same reason though, that many teams are having trouble selling tickets now. The TV product has become so good, people would much rather stay home, drink their cheaper beer/food/etc, use their own bathroom, and get a better experience than if they were sitting at the game. HD TV and all the other technological advances have made watching it on TV a better experience than sitting in the stands can compete with.

Do we have a point or are we just complaining? Would Miller, Pomminville, Vanek, and Gaustad have made us a cup winner? We didnt even make the playoffs with all of them recently. So our rebuild is unacceptable - because "Crosby 2" is up for grabs?

Eff this league if we suck and dont get a top 2 pick in 15.
- atlsabsfan

The point is our rebuild looks much like what St Louis did which is the exact opposite of what you said.

Move older talent for picks and prospects. Use those assets to build a foundation of youth. When the time is right, move some of that youth for older vets to put you over the hump.

They made the playoffs 25yrs in a row then missed the playoffs 5 of 6yrs

IMO we are rebuilding in the mold of Chicago.

We have a foundation in place on the blueline and we will draft our Toews/Kane in the next 2 seasons and be ready to go.
- sbroads24

If we can get the "Toews/Kane" players the next two drafts we will be well on our way I agree with you there

Speaking of the NFL the Bills should sign Wilfork if he is released.

Johnson was their only top 3 pick in the last 10 years and only drafted in the top 10 twice counting Johnson. The next highest pick was 4th. They made a great trade to get Schwartz and Tarensenko 2 picks apart in the 2010 draft. But i wouldnt say they tanked. They drafted very well.
They did have one draft with 3 first round picks and all of them made the NHL
- Stripes77

Made the playoffs 34 of their 1st 37yrs (25 in a row), then missed 5 of the next 6.

Speaking of the NFL the Bills should sign Wilfork if he is released.
- ImThatGuy

He does have a working relationship with Pepper Johnson. Run a 3-4 then him in the middle with Dareus and Kyle Williams on the ends? Freaking scary thought.

Mario Spikes Kiko Lawson/Rivers

thats sounds scary

He does have a working relationship with Pepper Johnson. Run a 3-4 then him in the middle with Dareus and Kyle Williams on the ends? Freaking scary thought.

Mario Spikes Kiko Lawson/Rivers

thats sounds scary
- Stripes77

I'd guess Mario would have an issue moving to OLB.

Made the playoffs 34 of their 1st 37yrs (25 in a row), then missed 5 of the next 6.
- dadeadhead

They didn't tank though is my entire point. They didnt have top 3 draft picks 2 or 3 years in a row. They were mediocre like the Sabres were. They werent the worst team in the league for several years like the Chicago's, Pittsburghs of the world

I'd guess Mario would have an issue moving to OLB.
- dadeadhead

He played OLB in Houston. He would basically be another end without putting his hand down (which he did a lot the last 2 years here)

So like a hybrid 3-4 but really playing as a 4-3 end

They didn't tank though is my entire point. They didnt have top 3 draft picks 2 or 3 years in a row. They were mediocre like the Sabres were. They werent the worst team in the league for several years like the Chicago's, Pittsburghs of the world
- Stripes77

They tanked enough to get the job done.

Like us. We will not be picking one or two next year. Moves will be made and the team will be drafting in the 6-10 range next year.

He played OLB in Houston. He would basically be another end without putting his hand down (which he did a lot the last 2 years here)

So like a hybrid 3-4 but really playing as a 4-3 end
- Stripes77

He was promised he would be playing DE here and they will adhere to that promise.

They tanked enough to get the job done.

Like us. We will not be picking one or two next year. Moves will be made and the team will be drafting in the 6-10 range next year.
- dadeadhead

you think we move out of the top 5 if we have it?

He played OLB in Houston. He would basically be another end without putting his hand down (which he did a lot the last 2 years here)

So like a hybrid 3-4 but really playing as a 4-3 end
- Stripes77

+1
allows for a nice rotation and doesnt make him have to be on the field all three downs. Keep them fresh

+1 hell get paid hansomely
- hubie

If the Canadian dollar keeps getting smacked in the face and goes to 80c, does he still get $7M per?

They tanked enough to get the job done.

Like us. We will not be picking one or two next year. Moves will be made and the team will be drafting in the 6-10 range next year.
- dadeadhead

It's so unpredictable at this point. They can easily leave this team close to what it is now.

If the Canadian dollar keeps getting smacked in the face and goes to 80c, does he still get $7M per?
- BigStew

Im sure they have invested their money wisely