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deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Mar 12 @ 11:34 AM ET
Brière in a shutdown role? You'd be asking for trouble.
- Jean_Perron


I know, but where do you put him? If you play him.
Habsody
Montreal Canadiens
Location: 3-Rivières, QC
Joined: 12.16.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:35 AM ET
I think Eller would do much better if he actually had a (frank)ing role on the team.

And not just "that 3rd line center who doesn't know what the hell he's supposed to be on this team".

- Scabeh


Add it the fact he played some of those games with Bourque on his left side.
WaterBoy
Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Mar 12 @ 11:35 AM ET
I'm not so comfortable to have Eller in a primary defensive role, considering how he has played the last 25+ games.
- Jean_Perron

PAtches-DD-Gally
Vanek-Briere-Chucky
Prust-Plek-Gionta
Moen-Eller-White

?
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Mar 12 @ 11:35 AM ET
But you're ok with playing one of the top scorers in the league with Brian Gionta and a center who while he has offensive skills, seems to have been ignoring them for some time now.
- hscesq


Gionta should not be there. And Pleck never plays with our top wingers.
Habsody
Montreal Canadiens
Location: 3-Rivières, QC
Joined: 12.16.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:35 AM ET
just the 2nd would have been more than enough
- dt99999


Obviously. I have no issue with him on the 3rd line on a defensive role with Plek and Prust though. It would also give more balance up front.
BashCH
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The legendary Don Cherry agrees with me..., QC
Joined: 04.27.2010

Mar 12 @ 11:36 AM ET
I know, but where do you put him? If you play him.
- deadpoulet


Brière starts on the 4th line, gets some PP time and some time on other offensive lines on occasion.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Mar 12 @ 11:36 AM ET
I think Eller would do much better if he actually had a (frank)ing role on the team.

And not just "that 3rd line center who doesn't know what the hell he's supposed to be on this team".

- Scabeh


You know what?

That's a load of BS.

If he doesn't know, as a hockey player, what he should be doing, maybe he's just as dumb as Andrei Kostitsyn.
BashCH
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The legendary Don Cherry agrees with me..., QC
Joined: 04.27.2010

Mar 12 @ 11:36 AM ET
PAtches-DD-Gally
Vanek-Briere-Chucky
Prust-Plek-Gionta
Moen-Eller-White

?

- WaterBoy


I wouldn't mind that lineup.
Jean_Perron
Location: Fleurimont, Québec
Joined: 08.03.2012

Mar 12 @ 11:36 AM ET
So you prefer having one of the best scorers in the league on a defensive line?


Where are you in the HB hockey pool standings already?

- BashCH


Yeah! Go ahead and use my first ever season hockey pool to evaluate my understanding of the game.

More seriously, I think Vanek should go on the third line with Eller and Brière
while Galchenyuk gets Plekanec's left wing.

Habsody
Montreal Canadiens
Location: 3-Rivières, QC
Joined: 12.16.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:36 AM ET
Gionta should not be there. And Pleck never plays with our top wingers.
- deadpoulet


You really think that the reason why Vanek and Plek are not clicking is because of Gionta? Really?
BashCH
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The legendary Don Cherry agrees with me..., QC
Joined: 04.27.2010

Mar 12 @ 11:37 AM ET
Yeah! Go ahead and use my first ever season hockey pool to evaluate my understanding of the game.

More seriously, I think Vanek should go on the third line with Eller and Brière
while Galchenyuk gets Plekanec's left wing.

- Jean_Perron


I disagree with everything you say.
Habsody
Montreal Canadiens
Location: 3-Rivières, QC
Joined: 12.16.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:38 AM ET
PAtches-DD-Gally
Vanek-Briere-Chucky
Prust-Plek-Gionta
Moen-Eller-White

?

- WaterBoy


I would give it a try, or then you put Vanek with DD and Patches and reunite the EGG line. The 3rd line would remain intact.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:38 AM ET
Yeah! Go ahead and use my first ever season hockey pool to evaluate my understanding of the game.

More seriously, I think Vanek should go on the third line with Eller and Brière
while Galchenyuk gets Plekanec's left wing.

- Jean_Perron


Why do you hate Vanek?

Do you miss Collberg that much?
BashCH
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The legendary Don Cherry agrees with me..., QC
Joined: 04.27.2010

Mar 12 @ 11:38 AM ET
I would give it a try, or then you put Vanek with DD and Patches and reunite the EGG line. The 3rd line would remain intact.
- Habsody


I agree with that as well.
WaterBoy
Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Mar 12 @ 11:39 AM ET
I wouldn't mind that lineup.
- BashCH

Blow it all up !

PAtches-DD-Chucky
Vanek-Plek-Gally
Briere-Eller-Gionta
Moen-White-Prust

WaterBoy
Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Mar 12 @ 11:40 AM ET
I would give it a try, or then you put Vanek with DD and Patches and reunite the EGG line. The 3rd line would remain intact.
- Habsody

(frank) the EGG line.


deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Mar 12 @ 11:40 AM ET
You really think that the reason why Vanek and Plek are not clicking is because of Gionta? Really?
- Habsody


Never said that, they played two games toguether!!!! But Gionta should not be with our top players at this point.
TouenneTiiTree
Location: #effetjulien
Joined: 05.22.2012

Mar 12 @ 11:41 AM ET
Brière starts on the 4th line, gets some PP time and some time on other offensive lines on occasion.
- BashCH



Briere is weak, slow and scared...I don't think the skills are coming back...

People look at him and he falls off the puck.
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: (HE, HIM, HIS), ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Mar 12 @ 11:41 AM ET
I agree with that as well.
- BashCH


Same, you can't acquire a guy like Vanek and stick him in a defensive role.
Habsody
Montreal Canadiens
Location: 3-Rivières, QC
Joined: 12.16.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:42 AM ET
Never said that, they played two games toguether!!!! But Gionta should not be with our top players at this point.
- deadpoulet


I get that, it's just that i don't see Plekanec, offensively speaking, as a top player. He is great playing against the opponent's top line and it should remains his main role.
TouenneTiiTree
Location: #effetjulien
Joined: 05.22.2012

Mar 12 @ 11:42 AM ET
Never said that, they played two games toguether!!!! But Gionta should not be with our top players at this point.
- deadpoulet



The only way this should happen is if you tell Plekanec to take more offensive chances and for Gionta to cover for him.

But I don't think that's in Plekanec's game...
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Mar 12 @ 11:43 AM ET
Same, you can't acquire a guy like Vanek and stick him in a defensive role.
- pete26


We must be the only goddamn team in the league who would acquire a player like Vanek but consider playing him in a defensive role on the third line.

(frank).
_nay_
Boston Bruins
Location: "aaaargh my leg!!!" -Max Pacioretty
Joined: 04.06.2011

Mar 12 @ 11:43 AM ET
Never said that, they played two games toguether!!!! But Gionta should not be with our top players at this point.
- deadpoulet


Well, the EGG line played 5 games together before sucking balls, and everyone's ready to reunite them.
Jean_Perron
Location: Fleurimont, Québec
Joined: 08.03.2012

Mar 12 @ 11:43 AM ET
You really think that the reason why Vanek and Plek are not clicking is because of Gionta? Really?
- Habsody


I think what everyone's point is is that Gionta has nothing to do on the Habs 2nd line. Not at this point in his career ,with the addition of Vanek and the fact that the Habs are getting healthy up front.

That is a fair assumption I'd say. The problem is though that the Habs don't have many RW that can do as good of a job as the captain in a shutdown role. Moen can certainly do it, maybe Bournival too, but outside of that it's pretty thin when it comes to permanent shutdown roles. I personally don't think Prust has the speed to do it as effectively. With all this in mind, you can somewhat understand why Therrien keeps Gionta with Plek.

But what's everyone wondering is why they're using Vanek in a shutdown role, when he's far from a stud defensively and he never played in such a role.

My guess is that he wants three lines to create offense, but will Vanek be able to hold up defensively with the other two backing him up? That's up in the air.
WaterBoy
Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Mar 12 @ 11:43 AM ET
I get that, it's just that i don't see Plekanec, offensively speaking, as a top player. He is great playing against the opponent's top line and it should remains his main role.
- Habsody

This is a sack of poop.

Plek with 2 good wingers would be lights out the best Center on this team point wise.

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