You do realize that the refs missed at least 2 calls that should have been made on the Flyers right?

Andy Mac with an obvious interference and Coburn with a clear glove close on the puck that would have given the Leads a 2 man advantage.

The Flyers lost the game because of defensive breakdowns and not the refs.
- opeth_pa

Say whatever you want. It's simple. You do realize that the Flyers had a goal taken away, inexplicably by a clueless official who had no business putting the (frank)ing whistle in his mouth on that play? That taken away goal would have given them a regulation win. But hey, I love your little politically correct answer. I could have given a list of 10 calls that should have been made on the Leafs.

I'd say for more then just a few minutes. All of the 1st and the beginning of the 2nd, Flyers were on their heels. That piece of poop Jay Rosehill picked a good time to fight, and the team responded afterwards.
- MJL

Maybe I need to watch the 1st period again ... but I seem to remember that the Flyers were getting tons of offensive zone pressure after about 10 minutes into the game.

Rosehill had a good tilt, but in my opinion the Flyers were getting so much pressure that they were bound to score one anyway.

You do realize that the refs missed at least 2 calls that should have been made on the Flyers right?

Andy Mac with an obvious interference and Coburn with a clear glove close on the puck that would have given the Leads a 2 man advantage.

The Flyers lost the game because of defensive breakdowns and not the refs.
- opeth_pa

They blew calls both ways. It's hard to swallow a ref 100 feet away blowing a play dead when the other ref is 8 feet away and signaling a goal, though.

But the penalties? Sure, they made some borderline calls and ignored some really obvious stuff both ways.

I'm not loving that pairing. They just don't play well off of each other.
- PhillySportsGuy

Instead of mitigating each others' weaknesses, they seem to compound them.

They both sucked on the OT goal...Grossmann left Lupul all alone to chase the puck and Streit may as well have been in Brampton for all the (frank)ing good he did.
- Jsaquella

Tough to blame Grossmann for that one. It was a two on one down low.

That being said, Grossmann has not had a great year. Even if you exclude January he's still had a rough go of it.

Hate to write it, but one more mobile d-man who maybe a little smallish but can at least skate could really even out the top 6. I don't think it will happen, but I can always hope.

They blew calls both ways. It's hard to swallow a ref 100 feet away blowing a play dead when the other ref is 8 feet away and signaling a goal, though.

But the penalties? Sure, they made some borderline calls and ignored some really obvious stuff both ways.
- Jsaquella

That is what I'm trying to say. That disallowed goal was the difference not just for the Flyers and Leafs, but has implications for several teams. He CAN'T blow a call like that. Additionally, if you are going to call that ticky tack penalty on Timonen in a crucial moment in the 3rd, how do you then put the whistle away. They had no standard or guideline for what was acceptable or a penalty. Even the linesmen were terrible.

Instead of mitigating each others' weaknesses, they seem to compound them.
- Tomahawk

For the first time this year, I may think about sitting Grossmann. I like him and have always advocated for him to stay in the lineup, but he just doesn't seem to fit in the mix right now.

The only other option is to pair off

Coburn-Timo
Streit-Schenn
Mac-Grossmann

I wouldn't be opposed to

Coburn-Timo
Streit-Mac
Gus-Schenn

Hate to write it, but one more mobile d-man who maybe a little smallish but can at least skate could really even out the top 6. I don't think it will happen, but I can always hope.
- ravishingone

Say whatever you want. It's simple. You do realize that the Flyers had a goal taken away, inexplicably by a clueless official who had no business putting the (frank)ing whistle in his mouth on that play? That taken away goal would have given them a regulation win. But hey, I love your little politically correct answer. I could have given a list of 10 calls that should have been made on the Leafs.
- Flyers1218

HA... okay.

It has nothing to do with politically correct answers. I try and keep a logical view of all games and the Flyers lost because of multiple defensive breakdowns and not showing up in the first 5 minutes.

Was that non-goal a weird call, yup..100% when the close ref pointed in and the far ref called it off. I can think of 3 times when the Flyers should have been called and they weren't. I can think of 1 time where the Leafs maybe should have been called.

They didn't lose because of the refs.

Ill take the point after being down 2.

Say whatever you want. It's simple. You do realize that the Flyers had a goal taken away, inexplicably by a clueless official who had no business putting the (frank)ing whistle in his mouth on that play? That taken away goal would have given them a regulation win. But hey, I love your little politically correct answer. I could have given a list of 10 calls that should have been made on the Leafs.
- Flyers1218

Instead of mitigating each others' weaknesses, they seem to compound them.
- Tomahawk

Streit has been playing really well for a pretty long stretch this Season. I'll have to look back at the replays to confirm if Streit was directly responsible for any of the goals against that he was on the ice for. I just find it curious that he's been playing very strong hockey and his critics have been silent. One perceived bad game and the critics come out. Especially critics who never gave him a chance from day 1.

For the first time this year, I may think about sitting Grossmann. I like him and have always advocated for him to stay in the lineup, but he just doesn't seem to fit in the mix right now.


- PhillySportsGuy

It's not going to happen. And I don't think it should.

- FlyerGuy

I only play Gus if I have to. I would rather him get a shot only if someone goes down.

I hope one Philly reporter has the stones to ask our coach what the hell he is doing sticking Grossmann on the ice in OT.

Streit has been playing really well for a pretty long stretch this Season. I'll have to look back at the replays to confirm if Streit was directly responsible for any of the goals against that he was on the ice for. I just find it curious that he's been playing very strong hockey and his critics have been silent. One perceived bad game and the critics come out. Especially critics who never gave him a chance from day 1.
- MJL

I changed my mind on Streit throughout the season. I feel good about him, but I think the final goal may be partially his fault.

The entire team has problems with defensive coverages, but 4v4 really exacerbates everything because one breakdown will result in a grade A scoring chance.

- FlyerGuy

You push AMac up to the second pairing and can protect Gus similar to the way they did with Mez. When Paddock shortened the rotation, AMac was with Streit, I think the change is coming once AMac gets a little more playing experience with the team.

It's not going to happen. And I don't think it should.
- MJL

They should think about switching up the pairings though. Streit and Grossmann have not been good together.

Tough to blame Grossmann for that one. It was a two on one down low.

That being said, Grossmann has not had a great year. Even if you exclude January he's still had a rough go of it.
- PhillySportsGuy

2 on 1 down low is a tough play. But when you have that situation, the fundamentally sound play is to take away the pass and let the goalie have the shooter.

Yes, Streit blew coverage, and Lacavalier...I'm not sure what the Hell he was doing, but If Grossmann just sticks to Lupul, Mason doesn't have to try to lunge from post to post in desperation.

Not absolving Streit, at all...but if a guy is supposed to be a good defensive defenseman, he's got to make the fundamentally sound play.

Streit has been playing really well for a pretty long stretch this Season. I'll have to look back at the replays to confirm if Streit was directly responsible for any of the goals against that he was on the ice for. I just find it curious that he's been playing very strong hockey and his critics have been silent. One perceived bad game and the critics come out. Especially critics who never gave him a chance from day 1.
- MJL

He's good on O, bad on D -- that hasn't changed since day 1. Even when he's on his game, his offensive contributions are often negated by his weaknesses in his own zone -- as we saw tonight.

2 on 1 down low is a tough play. But when you have that situation, the fundamentally sound play is to take away the pass and let the goalie have the shooter.

Yes, Streit blew coverage, and Lacavalier...I'm not sure what the Hell he was doing, but If Grossmann just sticks to Lupul, Mason doesn't have to try to lunge from post to post in desperation.

Not absolving Streit, at all...but if a guy is supposed to be a good defensive defenseman, he's got to make the fundamentally sound play.
- Jsaquella

I know. I think he tried and thought he had it covered. Like I said, its been a rough year for Grossmann. He's been a steady, unnoticeable defenseman for the Flyers prior to this year, but the breakdowns of that pairing seem to happen quite a bit

I know. I think he tried and thought he had it covered. Like I said, its been a rough year for Grossmann. He's been a steady, unnoticeable defenseman for the Flyers, but the breakdowns of that pairing seem to happen quite a bit
- PhillySportsGuy

That pairing has had it's issues, for sure. I'm not even trying to rag the dude...but that just drives me nuts.

And Streit...he was in another zip code....but I'm not counting on him to be a defensive stalwart

Well that's an unfortunate outcome. Flyers chased the game all game long really.

Some choice missed chances from both teams.

Really wish Raffl took a shot on the play before the Leafs scored in OT.

Well that's an unfortunate outcome. Flyers chased the game all game long really.

Some choice missed chances from both teams.

Really wish Raffl took a shot on the play before the Leafs scored in OT.
- Pixote Andolini

yeah, probably every one of us were yelling at the tv there.