if the isles kept moulson, picked up a goalie and just improved their 5/6 defensemen they could still be in the hunt (with a healthy tavares)

really dumb I think

one of the reasons amac has such crap #s is they had such a weak bottom pair Carkner? jeebus
- Marc D

Is AMac gonna play tonight?

Coburn
Streit/Amac (?)
Schenn/Gus/Grossmann and one of these three likely won't be here I guess.

If they are keeping Coburn they must find someone he can excel with.

I think at some point they need to target a guy and get it done, otherwise that D is a mess. They need to figure out something.
- Marc D

I'd be ok going into next season with

Coburn-Grossmann
Streit - Mac
Schenn - Gus

Maybe kick the tires on Markov to see if he'd take a 1 or 2 year deal but this defence really isn't terrible. Not great, not bad. If you play a solid team game you can get away with 3 pairings that are essentially of 2nd pairing quality. I'm not a fan of trading away our young core for a top pairing dman at this moment conaidering what it would cost. Patience is the best course of action to allow our D prospects to grow and hopefully our problems on the backend will fix itself.

he survived hahahah

if the isles kept moulson, picked up a goalie and just improved their 5/6 defensemen they could still be in the hunt (with a healthy tavares)

really dumb I think

one of the reasons amac has such crap #s is they had such a weak bottom pair Carkner? jeebus
- Marc D

I know. We need to take into account the physical and mental wear and tear of a guy playing those kind of minutes on that team.

I imagine its not fun coming to the rink under those circumstances.

if the isles kept moulson, picked up a goalie and just improved their 5/6 defensemen they could still be in the hunt (with a healthy tavares)

really dumb I think

one of the reasons amac has such crap #s is they had such a weak bottom pair Carkner? jeebus
- Marc D

Garth Snow's inability to find a league average goalie and having Matt Carkner on his bottom defense pair should cost him is job

The stuff with Vanek? Yeah, it's awful. But you took a swing, missed. If I were an owner, I might not fire you for that.

But bringing back an ancient Evgeni Nabokov and playing Matt Carkner consistently?

Sorry, slick. But you gotta go

Is AMac gonna play tonight?
- Giroux_Is_God

Paired with Luke Schenn

Is AMac gonna play tonight?
- Giroux_Is_God

I believe yes, not certain though
Gus getting the popcorn again

I think what they will start with is
Kimmo/Coburn
Streit/Grossmann
Amac/Schenn

with Streit and Amac on the point for 2nd PP

just a guess

ehrhoff and edler are trades
nisk only costs cap space

easiest thing would be to max out to the cap with UFA
wish the rangers let girardi walk, he would have been a solid pick up

someone said because of the weak canadian dollar the cap might only be 68M and not 71M as originally predicted
- Marc D

I love Ehrhoff. He would be the perfect guy to take over for Kimmo. I would part with a 2014 first or (forgive me OB) Laughton.

if the isles kept moulson, picked up a goalie and just improved their 5/6 defensemen they could still be in the hunt (with a healthy tavares)

really dumb I think

one of the reasons amac has such crap #s is they had such a weak bottom pair Carkner? jeebus
- Marc D

amac isnt a stud by any means. but he is definitely a solid guy. i wouldnt pay any mind to the numbers from the isles

Paired with Luke Schenn
- Jsaquella

I can dig it

I'd be ok going into next season with

Coburn-Grossmann
Streit - Mac
Schenn - Gus

Maybe kick the tires on Markov to see if he'd take a 1 or 2 year deal but this defence really isn't terrible. Not great, not bad. If you play a solid team game you can get away with 3 pairings that are essentially of 2nd pairing quality. I'm not a fan of trading away our young core for a top pairing dman at this moment conaidering what it would cost. Patience is the best course of action to allow our D prospects to grow and hopefully our problems on the backend will fix itself.
- Roytastic

I'm uncomfortable with that

without Kimmo that group is below average I think

I believe yes, not certain though
Gus getting the popcorn again

I think what they will start with is
Kimmo/Coburn
Streit/Grossmann
Amac/Schenn

with Streit and Amac on the point for 2nd PP

just a guess
- Marc D

I think this is their ticket to put Coburn and Grossmann together again, to see if they can rekindle that chemistry they found last year

I love Ehrhoff. He would be the perfect guy to take over for Kimmo. I would part with a 2014 first or (forgive me OB) Laughton.
- PhillySportsGuy

he is going to cost a lot, but if they don't want or can't sign Nisk I would pay it
(I think...gulp)

Anyone have time? I'm at work so I can't but if someone could come up with cap space that will have and how many roster spots we need to fill by FA, would be very appreciated.

I think this is their ticket to put Coburn and Grossmann together again, to see if they can rekindle that chemistry they found last year
- Giroux_Is_God

I'd use them strictly on the PK.

I think they are OK as a shut down pair, but a black hole on the offense side

he is going to cost a lot, but if they don't want or can't sign Nisk I would pay it
(I think...gulp)
- Marc D

his dead is longggg. but dollar wise, with the cap rising, its actually pretty cheap AAV.

he is going to cost a lot, but if they don't want or can't sign Nisk I would pay it
(I think...gulp)
- Marc D

The Flyers usually get their guy unless the player wants to play in a certain place. If they want Niskanen, they'll get him.

his dead is longggg. but dollar wise, with the cap rising, its actually pretty cheap AAV.
- stayinthefnnet

I think Ehrhoff is UC until he's 37 or 38. Thats not bad. His AAV is under $4M I believe.

The Flyers usually get their guy unless the player wants to play in a certain place. If they want Niskanen, they'll get him.
- PhillySportsGuy

oh yeah. you guys are getting him. and its going to cost a pretty penny.

just did a little glance, and its shocking how few players are under contract for the pens next year

oh yeah. you guys are getting him. and its going to cost a pretty penny.

just did a little glance, and its shocking how few players are under contract for the pens next year
- stayinthefnnet

I know. Thats why I think the Pens will need to move salary if they acquire Kesler. And I'm not talking about just Sutter.

I'm uncomfortable with that

without Kimmo that group is below average I think
- Marc D

I'd disagree and say it's right around average maybe slightly above when you really start looking around the league at other team's backends. Coburn and Grossman have shown they can be a fairly reliable shutdown pairing when together. Schenn/Gus seem to have a bit of chemistry together and if the coaches decide to let Gus stick around for more than a few games who knows that that pairing could blossom into.

Streit and Mac are more of a mystery to me but apparently they were paired together for3 years when they were on the isles. So if that's the case, I imagine they aren't half bad when paired together.

Edit : When I say average or slightly above, by no means am I saying they are all stars or would be the envy of the league. But not many teams can actually make that claim.

Anyone have time? I'm at work so I can't but if someone could come up with cap space that will have and how many roster spots we need to fill by FA, would be very appreciated.
- Deasr1

They have:
9 forwards (including Rosehill)
4 defenseman (Excluding Pronger)
1 goalie

$12M in cap without using Pronger's LTIR.

B. Schenn and Gus are RFAs
Edit: they will also have Laughton on his entry level deal next year

I know. Thats why I think the Pens will need to move salary if they acquire Kesler. And I'm not talking about just Sutter.
- PhillySportsGuy

i dont know. a lot of decisions need to be made. ive never made one of those capgeek things so i dont have a working number in my head.

but orpik hopefully goes. id welcome nisk back if he took a smaller deal but i cant see why he would. hes probably gone.


the bottom 6 guys are all free agents. going to have to make a lot of moves.

I'd be ok going into next season with

Coburn-Grossmann
Streit - Mac
Schenn - Gus

Maybe kick the tires on Markov to see if he'd take a 1 or 2 year deal but this defence really isn't terrible. Not great, not bad. If you play a solid team game you can get away with 3 pairings that are essentially of 2nd pairing quality. I'm not a fan of trading away our young core for a top pairing dman at this moment conaidering what it would cost. Patience is the best course of action to allow our D prospects to grow and hopefully our problems on the backend will fix itself.
- Roytastic

If you're going into the season with Grossmann slotted on the top pair you might as well just start selling McDavid jerseys at the games all season.

i dont know. a lot of decisions need to be made. ive never made one of those capgeek things so i dont have a working number in my head.

but orpik hopefully goes. id welcome nisk back if he took a smaller deal but i cant see why he would. hes probably gone.


the bottom 6 guys are all free agents. going to have to make a lot of moves.
- stayinthefnnet

http://www.capgeek.com/penguins

Not as bad as I thought.

Whats the deal with Beau Bennett?