Byfuglien is such a mess defensively.
- PhillySportsGuy

He's not great, but neither is he Andy Delmore bad. He actually competes pretty hard, and is a real monster along the boards and in front of the net.

I'd be more than happy to add him to the mix if they're hell-bent on giving him away -- I'm definitely not moving Couturier or B Schenn for him, though.

In this case, Vancouver wouldn't say to Shero, "Well, Philly offered ..." they'd say something more like, "Well, we have some other offers that are enticing, and we're not sure which direction we want to go," which could cause Pittsburgh to basically bid against themselves. It absolutely can happen.
- jmatchett383

Plus, Kesler isn't a FA like Callahan. They can say no then wait for the draft. They'll have more suitors at draft time anyway.

I wouldn't accept anything less than Sutter, Pouliot and a 1st. I may not even accept that.

I know you really don't like Downie, but I think you're being a little to harsh. I don't think the team should just give him away. If they move him, I'd like to see them get back a decent 4th liner who is signed for a few years. Someone like Talbot with more speed.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't think ANYONE should be given away when you can get a return for him. I'd love to flip him for a guy like Malholtra, but at this point, he's actually hurting the team by playing. If there's no market, then scratch him and play Rosehill/call-up, but he is a negative for them right now.

Trade for a Dman only.

There's a backlog @ center. Couts is basically untouchable for me. One of Schenn, Laughton, or Vinny need to be moved. Vinny is pretty much immovable.

I think they can get Big Buff, for Laughton or Hagg, a pick and a roster player. Matt Read?

Homer is just driving the price up on Kesler, last of Flyers needs.
- flyguy12

I hate to tell you this, but it would take a bunch more to land Big Buff. You will be looking at Minimum Read, L.Schenn, Hagg, and 1st.

And this is according to what Peg wanted midway through the season. If he is available now with all the Buyers on defense it will likely be more. They were asking for Top 6 forward, top 4 d-man, B level prospect, and a first.

NO THANK YOU!

He's not great, but neither is he Andy Delmore bad. He actually competes pretty hard, and is a real monster along the boards and in front of the net.

I'd be more than happy to add him to the mix if they're hell-bent on giving him away -- I'm definitely not moving Couturier or B Schenn for him, though.
- Tomahawk

I wouldn't give up any of our top-9 players (minus Vinny and Downie) or any of our top prospects for him. I just don't like him.

He's not great, but neither is he Andy Delmore bad. He actually competes pretty hard, and is a real monster along the boards and in front of the net.

I'd be more than happy to add him to the mix if they're hell-bent on giving him away -- I'm definitely not moving Couturier or B Schenn for him, though.
- Tomahawk

Thats the point though. THey will want a top, young player.

The thing with Byfuglien is his potential. He's 28, but has only been an NHL defenseman for 4 years. If things ever click for him, he will be one of the best dmen in hockey.

I just don't like what I see of him. He fits the current Flyers dmen mold, by being more of a one-way player. I wouldn't trust him in the defensive zone. His coverages and defensive awareness are below average.

Yes, as I said, he had a hell of a 9 game stretch. That was well over 2 months past. I don't care what the reason is, because the bottom line is that he's been a complete liability who has hurt the team in a plethora of ways over the past 2+months.

But sure, he was good for a short run, let's keep giving him 13 minutes a night so he can turn a few more pucks over and take some more stupid needless penalties.
- jmatchett383

Okay then. Trade Downie, movie Raffl to the 3rd line and dress Rosehill on the 4th line... Then when someone gets hurt, we can bring in NewBerry for the playoffs and put Rinaldo on the 3rd line. Good thinking.

schenns to vancouver for kessler and edler

I'd actually rather have Rosehill. He knows his role and doesn't try to be too fancy. He's actually a better skater than Downie, and if he takes a penalty, it usually isn't a stupid careless one (minus the Vancouver game).
- jmatchett383

Rosehill cannot skate more than 4 minutes a night. The flyers need someone that can eat up at least as much time as Raffl does playing on the fourth line. 7 ~8 minutes a night if not more. I would rather have Downie playing on the fourth line and only play 7~8 minutes than bring in Rosehill.

I don't think ANYONE should be given away when you can get a return for him. I'd love to flip him for a guy like Malholtra, but at this point, he's actually hurting the team by playing. If there's no market, then scratch him and play Rosehill/call-up, but he is a negative for them right now.
- jmatchett383

If you scratch him and move Raffl up, the 4th line becomes a complete disaster.

Our 4th line has been a mess all season. I really don't want to see Rosehill-Hall-Rinaldo during important games against good teams.

Malhotra would be a perfect addition.

Okay then. Trade Downie, movie Raffl to the 3rd line and dress Rosehill on the 4th line... Then when someone gets hurt, we can bring in NewBerry for the playoffs and put Rinaldo on the 3rd line. Good thinking.
- SchennBros

Yes, let's never trade players for fear of injury, and let's forget that we'll have 7-10 Black Aces called up for the playoffs.

Okay then. Trade Downie, movie Raffl to the 3rd line and dress Rosehill on the 4th line... Then when someone gets hurt, we can bring in NewBerry for the playoffs and put Rinaldo on the 3rd line. Good thinking.
- SchennBros

Trade Downie for a solid 4th line guy and move raffl up to the 3rd line and you do not change your situation at all. You just make it better.

In this case, Vancouver wouldn't say to Shero, "Well, Philly offered ..." they'd say something more like, "Well, we have some other offers that are enticing, and we're not sure which direction we want to go," which could cause Pittsburgh to basically bid against themselves. It absolutely can happen.
- jmatchett383

Maybe. Vancouver could also just lie and say those things. The Flyers wouldn't actually have to "show interest". I think Shero already knows what teams are interested and what he's bidding against. There's already so much about this in the press… I can't imagine Shero doesn't already know more than that.

schenns to vancouver for kessler and edler
- MrPerfect316

KESLER. FOR GODS SAKE, IT'S KESLER WITH ONE S!!!!

Sorry its been bothering me for a while. Everyone keeps doing it.

Rosehill cannot skate more than 4 minutes a night. The flyers need someone that can eat up at least as much time as Raffl does playing on the fourth line. 7 ~8 minutes a night if not more. I would rather have Downie playing on the fourth line and only play 7~8 minutes than bring in Rosehill.
- FlyersSteve118

Okay, then our fourth line will have to live with a bunch of bad defensive zone turnovers and needless penalties.

KESLER. FOR GODS SAKE, IT'S KESLER WITH ONE S!!!!

Sorry its been bothering me for a while. Everyone keeps doing it.
- PhillySportsGuy

I know, it's not hard to spell like Foresberg or Haag.

schenns to vancouver for kessler and edler
- MrPerfect316

If it was that easy it would already of been done...not nearly enough

Trade Downie for a solid 4th line guy and move raffl up to the 3rd line and you do not change your situation at all. You just make it better.
- FlyersSteve118

Either that, or trade him for a pick and flip the pick for that guy. It's the preferred solution.

Oh but wait, we need to keep Downie, because we never know if we'll have an injury down the line. If Hartnell and Simmonds get injured, then we'll have no point but to play Rinaldo on the second line.

Get Jones at any cost homer!

Get Jones at any cost homer!
- PhillaBully

THROW THE SEASON!

KESLER. FOR GODS SAKE, IT'S KESLER WITH ONE S!!!!

Sorry its been bothering me for a while. Everyone keeps doing it.
- PhillySportsGuy

You seem to be loosing your mined.

Get Jones at any cost homer!
- PhillaBully

Only if they get popeye too

Okay, then our fourth line will have to live with a bunch of bad defensive zone turnovers and needless penalties.
- jmatchett383

Maybe the trade deadline passing will calm Downie down. THe best case scenario for this team would be for him to regain his form from earlier this year. He's capable of playing well for this team. WHatever the reason behind his breakdown, he needs to move past it and look ahead.

Maybe. Vancouver could also just lie and say those things. The Flyers wouldn't actually have to "show interest". I think Shero already knows what teams are interested and what he's bidding against. There's already so much about this in the press… I can't imagine Shero doesn't already know more than that.
- eayost

They could. But it also helps if Homer (or someone in the system) make it publicly known that they're in talks, as it would give Vancouver a little more credibility. Which is what's happened.

Okay, then our fourth line will have to live with a bunch of bad defensive zone turnovers and needless penalties.
- jmatchett383

Downie only looks as awful as he does because of the level of competition he plays against. If you put him on the fourth line with limited ice time and competition you will see a huge boost in his board skills and possession abilities. Although you will still see the penalty minutes and turnovers, just dramatically decreased. And definitely less than what Rosehill will do. Man that guy is awful.