I don't think anyone is enjoying it
- Fakepartofme

There's quite a few that will be. In fact, I think some have already posted on this thread.

Last year, this team had a completely different attitude and style.

That's not a one off thing. That's a deliberate change. There's a difference between the results being a "fluke" (or whatever bull crap people are calling it) and the attitude being a fluke.

Last year, at least we seemed to win AND lose with some dignity and fight. This year, when we lose, we fold.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Obviously komarov isnt going to fix much, but i would really like him back.

Gleason said that last year the Bruins and leafs were the hardest team to play against. I think Komarov was at least a small part of that.

7 million a year for 7 years for captain pylon, enjoy it leafs fans. pathetic.
- LeafMan

Ok fine we don't sign him, who do we get to replace this guy?

True. But I thought we were paying Clarkson for his toughness and intangibles. (Certainly arent paying him to score).

I dont like to constantly rip on Phaneuf like some here, but even I have to admit that this is the type of scenario that you look to your captain.
- Leafs43

Clarkson never was a great fighter... he's tough to a point, but I don't think people really knew enough about him to jump the bandwagon. All I know is this, In one year as GM No-ness has taken a team from huge cap space and a window opening to - after the reality of the cap situation next summer kicks in - going back to where they were 3 years ago. Thank goodness for all the great trades Burke made because without the top line he assembled this club would be in dire straights going into next season, a season that should have been the most promising in a long time... I hope they come out of it and prove me wrong.

+21 and far away leading the team in ice time. Best penalty killer on defense by far. Easily the only guy capable of playing this role.

You can hate it if you want, but where do you honestly see this team without him? Competing for the division?

Come on.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Phaneuf makes everyone worse that's why his stat look better compared to him

I absolutely love when the +/- only becomes important when a player is in the +.

+21 and far away leading the team in ice time. Best penalty killer on defense by far. Easily the only guy capable of playing this role.

You can hate it if you want, but where do you honestly see this team without him? Competing for the division?

Come on.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Actually the leafs played their best defensive games if the year without him. Now could the do that over another 81 games...... Who knows

Meh it was a short season after a long layoff, it was one off. Now they realize they have to do that over 82 games and they can't.
Welcome to another 5 years if this
- Fakepartofme

"They can't"? What are you talking about?

We're fifth in the conference in points. 12th in the league. This is barely a step down from where we were last year.

I absolutely love when the +/- only becomes important when a player is in the +.
- weirdoh

So true lol

I was told this will be a steal in 3 years. Are you daring to say otherwise?
- weirdoh

So which of the goals was Dion's fault tonight. The first, where Reimer just stayed still, not even attempting to move, or the second, which Reimer (frank)ed up while handling the puck (there's a rarity). Which one? Or was is when Kessel hammered a pass back to him while everyone else was behind their goal? Dion is the absolute least of our D concerns. He's more of a D than Gardiner, Ranger, Franson, Gleason and Gunnar will ever be. (frank) man, Rielly is our 2nd best D at 20 years old. Get off the Phanuef hate bandwagon. He's +21 on a really really really poop defensive team. We have no D, only one line that gives a (frank), and no real toughness.

Ok fine we don't sign him, who do we get to replace this guy?
- Yeti1181

I don't think you can worry about it at the time, you have to just lay off overpayments and wait. Great teams just simply don't overpay, they fix the problem later with all the cap savings...

+21 and far away leading the team in ice time. Best penalty killer on defense by far. Easily the only guy capable of playing this role.

You can hate it if you want, but where do you honestly see this team without him? Competing for the division?

Come on.
- Leeman4Gilmour

You like seeing players fly by him with no effort getting back, that is the the captain of the team that let a player easily beat him for the puck and a breakaway, it is disgusting. No heart and lazy.

Am I alone in thinking Franson is awesome?
- gojets

If you had said this the answer would have been yes.

I absolutely love when the +/- only becomes important when a player is in the +.
- weirdoh

Have you seen it in relation to everyone else though?

I absolutely love when the +/- only becomes important when a player is in the +.
- weirdoh

Yes, you've made this observation before, and I've explained it before.

I'm not even knocking you for being obtuse. I'm knocking you for making a hackneyed joke. You're more creative than that.

Just Dion?
- walshyleafsfan

Nope.

Ok fine we don't sign him, who do we get to replace this guy?
- Yeti1181

Thats not a very good reason to pay him more than he's worth...

I absolutely love when the +/- only becomes important when a player is in the +.
- weirdoh

If he was in the negative they would use it against him, we all knows this.

I absolutely love when the +/- only becomes important when a player is in the +.
- weirdoh

Only really relevant when comparing players to teammates really, and even then you have to take into account who they play against. With Phaneuf he plays against the top lines so it's pretty damn relevant. He's clearly better than any other Leaf dman.

Thats not a very good reason to pay him more than he's worth...
- Fruitcakenipple

If he was on another team all we would see would be trades on how to get him on the leafs because he would be the guy we need.

No it would be much better to let him walk and replace him with nothing your right that makes way more sense.

Only really relevant when comparing players to teammates really, and even then you have to take into account who they play against. With Phaneuf he plays against the top lines so it's pretty damn relevant.
- daeth

Nothing at all to do with being on the ice when the Leafs top line is.

If he was in the negative they would use it against him, we all knows this.
- Yeti1181

Dions played really well this year, but likeyears past, too much... He may be doing the customary slow fade...

If he was on another team all we would see would be trades on how to get him on the leafs because he would be the guy we need.
- Yeti1181

Grass is always greener eh? Kessel has done well stay clear of the criticism. (frank) me, if he doesn't score in the next 5 games, he's going to hear about it.

"They can't"? What are you talking about?

We're fifth in the conference in points. 12th in the league. This is barely a step down from where we were last year.
- Leeman4Gilmour

So what are you complaining about?

They been outshot every game
Goaltending has saved them
Including ot loses, they only two games above .500
They depend so much in the first line
Their has been absolutely horrible
They have been getting pushed around like crazy
No team us scared if them

A little different than last season

Nothing at all to do with being on the ice when the Leafs top line is.
- weirdoh

Doesn't hurt.

Leafs top line isn't +21 or w/e Phaneuf is though.