Mesz's name has been tied to the B's, but I cant really see getting a roster player in return from them. Perhaps the Rangers are shopping someone to try and make room for Marty?

EDIT Rags already have cap room so it isnt that. Strange.
- hereticpride

For all we know he could be there to talk some names with the Bruins & pass them along to Homer.

Islanders wouldn't do that but I would make the move for Macdonald if we had a deal lined up to move Grossmann elsewhere.

A 2nd rounder to NYI for Macdonald
Grossmann to BOS for a 2nd rounder

Something like that.
- hereticpride

I don't know if Boston would be interested in Grossmann or not, but I think he would fit in real well in Boston.

D Sedin left the game with a knee injury. I'm not sure if that pushes them in the direction of buyers or sellers but that is a tough loss if he misses time.
- hereticpride

Exactly -- I get it. Nobody wants to give up on a season, and fans/ticket holders have a right to expect you to compete.

But sometimes...reality is an ugly thing. The Flyers missing last year...they were/are younger. It wasn't fun, but at least you could tell yourself that young players could be getting better.

The Canucks...it's not like that, out there. It's not like that at all. That's an aging/old team, and yeah, maybe they should sell high on Kesler if they can get three, four pieces for him.

3rd period had a 5min pp and for the last 3 min we went all O. Schenn may not be a stud at this point but the kid is a big part of our steller pk and as seen from last year when paired wit some1 half dec can be very steady.

I for one can't wait to see him in a playoff game when it gets nasty
- AGL_91

Not saying he's not. Simply saying he didn't play well today and that's reflected in the dip in ice time.

Criticizing a player for one game is not an indictment of a player overall. He screened Mason on the first goal after getting caught in space, and he was in the box for the second Washington goal, where Grossmann was asleep on johanssen in front of the net. Following that, Schenn saw his ice time drop.

Luke Schenn got better as the game went on? Because according to the game stats, his time on ice dropped after the first. Went from playing 6:05 in the first, to 4:35 in the second and a whopping 2:33 in the third.

Yep, massive improvement.
- Jsaquella

The less you see of him, the better he looks!

Ice time is not the only indicator of a player getting better. In the first period, he played tentatively, and was caught flatfooted on a number of plays, including on one of the goals where he screened the goaltender. His play picked up and got better as the game went along. Like most of the team.
Game situations will frequently affect players ice time in games. The Flyers went into the 3rd period down 2 goals, and were behind in the game until the waning minutes of the period. The Flyers also had a 5 minute PP in the period. Luke Schenn is not going to play a lot in those situations. And neither did Grossmann, whose ice time was down also.
- MJL

Wait, are you telling me Schenn got less ice time because he doesn't play on the pp? Imagine that.

I don't know if Boston would be interested in Grossmann or not, but I think he would fit in real well in Boston.
- MJL

A friend who is a B's fan was asking me about Mesz and was describing the kind of D guy they were looking for. I ended up telling him it sounded like Grossmann is the exact type of guy they're looking for, not Mesz.

I'd like to see Homer pull something like that off but I'm expecting a pretty quite trade deadline for the Flyers after these past two wins.

Wait, are you telling me Schenn got less ice time because he doesn't play on the pp? Imagine that.
- MBFlyerfan

Grossmann doesn't play on the PP, yet he saw almost identical ice time in the 1st & 2nd periods. Part of it was due to the 5 minute PP, but Schenn's ice time was down between the first and second, without any significant PP time.

If people want to spin that, super.

Not saying he's not. Simply saying he didn't play well today and that's reflected in the dip in ice time.

Criticizing a player for one game is not an indictment of a player overall. He screened Mason on the first goal after getting caught in space, and he was in the box for the second Washington goal, where Grossmann was asleep on johanssen in front of the net. Following that, Schenn saw his ice time drop.
- Jsaquella

Overall, stating that Luke Schenn didn't play well today, is not entirely inaccurate. I think his play got better as the game went along after the first period, in which he really struggled. Which is not the same as saying he played well. Secondly, the game situations, which have to be taken into account, are the cause of the dip in icetime. That is obvious. Even if Luke Schenn had played a great game up to that point, he wouldn't have played a lot in the 2nd half of that game.

Wait, are you telling me Schenn got less ice time because he doesn't play on the pp? Imagine that.
- MBFlyerfan

And being down for most of the game, including a 3rd period with the Flyers down by two goals. But I guess that is when a stay at home defensive defenseman without much offensive ability, typically sees more icetime.

- Pixote Andolini

I'm just looking for my pet gerbil

Grossmann doesn't play on the PP, yet he saw almost identical ice time in the 1st & 2nd periods. Part of it was due to the 5 minute PP, but Schenn's ice time was down between the first and second, without any significant PP time.

If people want to spin that, super.
- Jsaquella

I know what you are saying, But my "eye test" told me he played better when he was on the ice in periods 2 and 3.

In today's game, Luke Schenn played 10 shifts in the first period for 6:05. In the second he had 7 shifts for 4:35. And in the 3rd period, he played 6 shifts for 2:33. Between the 2nd period and the 3rd period, there is a 1 shift difference, but a time difference of 2:02. His average shift in the 3rd shrunk way down to averaging :25 a shift. That tells me that the Coaches wanted him to keep his shifts short, give the other D men a short breather, then get off so they can get the better offensive defenseman and puck movers out there, with being behind in the game.

Now call me silly, but I'm willing to bet that if they had been ahead in the game by two goals in the 3rd period, he would've played more.

I'm just looking for my pet gerbil
- Jsaquella

It's a hamster!

I know what you are saying, But my "eye test" told me he played better when he was on the ice in periods 2 and 3.
- MBFlyerfan

I would agree. But still not where he needs to be. And he's had too many situations this Season where he is flat footed and not being aggressive. On the first Orlov goal, he hesitated and should've attacked Brower behind the net and taken away his time and space. He also was late getting to the other side to try and take away Brower's time and space to make a clean pass. And then compounded it further by screening the Goalie. So the first period, and that shift especially was a complete cluster you know what for Schenn. the Flyers forwards didn't do a whole lot on that shift either. There was clean passing lane back to the point.

It's a hamster!


- tangent_man

Kudos for not going the Richard Gere route

It's a hamster!


- tangent_man

Is that Jerry Pentecolle?

Still think they try to do something, maybe not huge, but something, for the 3/4 lines.

I think if they can move Meszaros for a fair trade, they might -- that's just good asset management. But I can see why they wouldn't
- AllInForFlyers

agreed. i think they could either buy or sell just don't want them doing nothing

If I was an opposing Coach. I would tell my players don't get in Claude Giroux's face and piss him off!

I know what you are saying, But my "eye test" told me he played better when he was on the ice in periods 2 and 3.
- MBFlyerfan

The biggest area that I'm talking about is the dip in ice time between the 1st & 2nd. Obviously being on a 5 minute PP will skewer the numbers in the third period, as well as being down a goal or two the last ten minutes.

But, IMO, he was horrible in the first and not much better in the second or third, which contributed to the dip in his usage in the second.

Replying to a comment like "He was horrible" today with, "He played better as the game went on" suggests he stepped up his game and was playing at an acceptable level. He wasn't. He was being used a lot more sparingly and not being used enough to really say that he was playing better.

So, yes, with a third less ice time in the second and two thirds less in the third, he avoided making mistakes that led to goals against. Forgive me for not being satisfied with that kind of performance or upgrading my assessment of his play today from horrible.

Is that Jerry Pentecolle?



- Marc D

Yep. There was a rumor, pretty wide spread one, that when he was an anchor in Philly, he required medical assistance to remove a rodent from a physical predicament.

So what are we gonna do....trade Mez? trade Kimmo?

Yep. There was a rumor, pretty wide spread one, that when he was an anchor in Philly, he required medical assistance to remove a rodent from a physical predicament.
- Jsaquella

I remember

I know I'm dating myself
But yeh it was kinda shocking in those days