They have God & Jesus, I guess they aren't happy until they get Moses too!
- NewfieStud

Okay, so the Penguins have easily the best player in the world and have won 1 cup with him , going on 5 years ago. Why does it seem like the cup doesn't matter this year? Is this team good enough as is?

Over-value Maata much?
- Jeropotato

rookie who skips the AHL, plays tons of minutes for one of the best teams in the NHL; was one of the top Finnish players at the Olympics and wins a bronze and is starting to show offensive flair at the roughest position for a rookie to shine in at the NHL level. Did I mention he is 19? Yes, we overvalue him, because he deserves to be overvalued.

i hate to say it, but i must agree with most of you, maata looks to be the real deal, but many a player has looked to be the real deal and turned out the other way.

that being said, i wouldnt trade him straight up for kesler. because if he did turn out to be the real deal, then we would regret it for a long time. so we must give him a chance.

i heard the pens were getting, kesler, evander kane, martin st louis, ryan miller and calahan for chris conner. its alot like last years trade deadline where we got everyone for nothin and still didnt win the cup
- pensfan024

He will play every 5th game for each team.

rookie who skips the AHL, plays tons of minutes for one of the best teams in the NHL; was one of the top Finnish players at the Olympics and wins a bronze and is starting to show offensive flair at the roughest position for a rookie to shine in at the NHL level. Did I mention he is 19? Yes, we overvalue him, because he deserves to be overvalued.
- Oneonta Penguin

Would you trade him for Pietrangelo?

common sense doesnt live here, this is the place that stupid built, welcome to the club
- DDM-Coga

Agree dude.

Burke said to Craig Custance today that he's willing to keep Cammy past the trade deadline even if there's no extension worked out.

Taking this at face value I'm just gonna register my displeasure.

Girardi and Vatanen are both right shooting d-men with pretty comparable #'s for the year, but Vatanen has done that in 19 less games AND he's only 22 vs 29 for Girardi. There is a lot more to his game that doesn't reflect in these stats. I doubt Anaheim trades him for Girardi who would be a Duck for 20 games only.


Vatanen's numbers for the YTD:
GP G A PTS +/- PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG PIM Shots
Year to date 41 6 8 14 2 2 4 0 0 0 20 62
PCT Hits
9.68 58

Girardi's numbers for the YTD:
GP G A PTS +/- PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG PIM Shots
Year to date 60 4 13 17 4 1 1 0 2 0 14 70
PCT Hits
5.71 145

Kesler is built for the Flyers
- PinkSock

Don't need or want that piece of trash

Girardi and Vatanen are both right shooting d-men with pretty comparable #'s for the year, but Vatanen has done that in 19 less games AND he's only 22 vs 29 for Girardi. There is a lot more to his game that doesn't reflect in these stats. I doubt Anaheim trades him for Girardi who would be a Duck for 20 games only.


Vatanen's numbers for the YTD:
GP G A PTS +/- PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG PIM Shots
Year to date 41 6 8 14 2 2 4 0 0 0 20 62
PCT Hits
9.68 58

Girardi's numbers for the YTD:
GP G A PTS +/- PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG PIM Shots
Year to date 60 4 13 17 4 1 1 0 2 0 14 70
PCT Hits
5.71 145
- ducks31

Girardi is more of a defensive guy who takes on top lines. You're comparing apples and oranges. That being said, I wouldn't give up anything significant unless they've already worked out an extension with him.

Burke said to Craig Custance today that he's willing to keep Cammy past the trade deadline even if there's no extension worked out.

Taking this at face value I'm just gonna register my displeasure.
- S Kaspar Rollins

And we know Burke and that is not going to happen.

rookie who skips the AHL, plays tons of minutes for one of the best teams in the NHL; was one of the top Finnish players at the Olympics and wins a bronze and is starting to show offensive flair at the roughest position for a rookie to shine in at the NHL level. Did I mention he is 19? Yes, we overvalue him, because he deserves to be overvalued.
- Oneonta Penguin

Hey, your not in a rebuild. If a player came around that improved your Chances at the cup you wouldn't do it? Is the Cup not the be all and end all for the Pens?

And we know Burke and that is not going to happen.
- Champ

Yeah I like to think all this extension talk is a gambit to up his trade value, since Cammy is going to be a secondary player on the market, probably won't go until Vanek, Moulson etc. Still it's disconcerting.

John Shannon on Twitter - "@JSportsnet: Hearing that NYR and Dan Girardi are very close to that new deal...perhaps announced later today."

No surprise if true, Girardi was always considered somewhat of a long shot to get dealt (or at least, far less likely than Callahan)

Girardi and Vatanen are both right shooting d-men with pretty comparable #'s for the year, but Vatanen has done that in 19 less games AND he's only 22 vs 29 for Girardi. There is a lot more to his game that doesn't reflect in these stats. I doubt Anaheim trades him for Girardi who would be a Duck for 20 games only.


Vatanen's numbers for the YTD:
GP G A PTS +/- PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG PIM Shots
Year to date 41 6 8 14 2 2 4 0 0 0 20 62
PCT Hits
9.68 58

Girardi's numbers for the YTD:
GP G A PTS +/- PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG PIM Shots
Year to date 60 4 13 17 4 1 1 0 2 0 14 70
PCT Hits
5.71 145
- ducks31

you wouldn't be getting girardi for offense.

John Shannon on Twitter - "@JSportsnet: Hearing that NYR and Dan Girardi are very close to that new deal...perhaps announced later today."

No surprise if true, Girardi was always considered somewhat of a long shot to get dealt (or at least, far less likely than Callahan)
- S Kaspar Rollins

Yeah I like to think all this extension talk is a gambit to up his trade value, since Cammy is going to be a secondary player on the market, probably won't go until Vanek, Moulson etc. Still it's disconcerting.
- S Kaspar Rollins

Clammy will be a nice pick up for a playoff team.

John Shannon on Twitter - "@JSportsnet: Hearing that NYR and Dan Girardi are very close to that new deal...perhaps announced later today."

No surprise if true, Girardi was always considered somewhat of a long shot to get dealt (or at least, far less likely than Callahan)
- S Kaspar Rollins

Niskanen must be happy.

rookie who skips the AHL, plays tons of minutes for one of the best teams in the NHL; was one of the top Finnish players at the Olympics and wins a bronze and is starting to show offensive flair at the roughest position for a rookie to shine in at the NHL level. Did I mention he is 19? Yes, we overvalue him, because he deserves to be overvalued.
- Oneonta Penguin

Maata isn't the second coming of Lidstrom yet but he is a phenomenal young defenseman and i wouldn't be surprised if Shero considered him as untouchable as Crosby is.

Sutter + Pouliot + 2nd for Kesler?

Maata isn't the second coming of Lidstrom yet but he is a phenomenal young defenseman and i wouldn't be surprised if Shero considered him as untouchable as Crosby is.

Sutter + Pouliot + 2nd for Kesler?
- rangerdanger94

Thats reasonable

Thats reasonable
- PhillySportsGuy

I read the Penguins already offered Sutter + Pouliot for Kesler so maybe that extra 2nd gets it done.

I read the Penguins already offered Sutter + Pouliot for Kesler so maybe that extra 2nd gets it done.
- rangerdanger94

It would put the Pens in cap hell for next year. All but says goodbye to Niskanen and Orpik.

Edit: I'm not sure the Pens have a 2nd. I think the Canucks would do it for Sutter+Pouliot+2014 1st.

- rangerdanger94

Report now being seconded by Larry Brooks.

It would put the Pens in cap hell for next year. All but says goodbye to Niskanen and Orpik.

Edit: I'm not sure the Pens have a 2nd. I think the Canucks would do it for Sutter+Pouliot+2014 1st.
- PhillySportsGuy

This is true although they would be dumping Sutter who is due for a raise and they were probably planning on letting one of Niskanen and Orpik walk anyway. They're pretty deep in terms of defensive prospects so maybe they could make it work.

It would put the Pens in cap hell for next year. All but says goodbye to Niskanen and Orpik.

Edit: I'm not sure the Pens have a 2nd. I think the Canucks would do it for Sutter+Pouliot+2014 1st.
- PhillySportsGuy

Not this year (Doug Murray trade haha) but they do have next years http://prosportstransacti...rades/Future/Penguins.htm

(That's a very useful and at times intriguing site btw)

Report now being seconded by Larry Brooks.
- S Kaspar Rollins

well then it's as official as it could unofficially be