I would take a guy that leads and plays with heart, even if older, than a malcontent like Stewart. To me, he is garbage. I don't think he adds value. GMs in the league know all about his makeup.
- Oneonta Penguin

Agree....my team I go Ott, but there are lots of GM's that want Stewart and will pay for him. Especially when he's got another year left.

As much as I can't stand Hemsky coming to the Pens, I have come to the conclusion he might be the best addition for the Pens. He won't cost as first, or a high end prospect and if he sucks with Sid, you dump him at the end and not resign him. He has skill and talent, but isn't a producer anymore and is injury prone.

Give them a third round pick, Ruopp and a Primanti Brothers sandwich.
- Oneonta Penguin

done deal.. but i will say, he has been getting 3rd line mins and 2nd team pp time. he has been staying healthy this yr... he needs off edm

done deal.. but i will say, he has been getting 3rd line mins and 2nd team pp time. he has been staying healthy this yr... he needs off edm
- nh4442

Prices are ridiculous; I'm frugal when it comes to giving up assets for rentals. This year, as much as it pains me to say because he just as easily could wind up in the pressbox one minute into his first game for the rest of the season, it makes more sense. Edmonton isn't expecting much in return because his value is less.

Maybe with Sid and Kuni he could do something positive. He isn't a third line guy here. If he sucks, as I said earlier, don't resign him. You lose virtually nothing.

Prices are ridiculous; I'm frugal when it comes to giving up assets for rentals. This year, as much as it pains me to say because he just as easily could wind up in the pressbox one minute into his first game for the rest of the season, it makes more sense. Edmonton isn't expecting much in return because his value is less.

Maybe with Sid and Kuni he could do something positive. He isn't a third line guy here. If he sucks, as I said earlier, don't resign him. You lose virtually nothing.
- Oneonta Penguin

wish we had the assets for eberle

i wouldnt mind hemsky and boyes, and even kesler:

kuni sid hemsky
neal geno jussi/megna
bennett kesler jussi/megna
boyes vitale adams
gibbons/glass

maatta nisk
orpik despres
scuds burtuzzo
engels

fluery
vokun ( or trade for a goalie)

would anyone replace kadri or gags for sutter?

wish we had the assets for eberle

i wouldnt mind hemsky and boyes, and even kesler:

kuni sid hemsky
neal geno jussi/megna
bennett kesler jussi/megna
boyes vitale adams
gibbons/glass

maatta nisk
orpik despres
scuds burtuzzo
engels

fluery
vokun ( or trade for a goalie)
- nh4442

We do ... except he just has a stroke and could be out the rest of the year. He is the easy asset to ship off to Edmonton.

would anyone replace kadri or gags for sutter?
- nh4442

Gagner? Pass. He is a complete underachiever.

Kadri - I like his talent, but can't stand immature players like him or Evander Kane.

Gagner? Pass. He is a complete underachiever.

Kadri - I like his talent, but can't stand immature players like him or Evander Kane.
- Oneonta Penguin

just looking at young guys on the trade block... i would like to get someone around 25-28 yrs old

just looking at young guys on the trade block... i would like to get someone around 25-28 yrs old
- nh4442

Gagner sucks. He is making 4.8 million now and for the next two years as well; plays on a line with better players, but has four less goals for starters. He blows.

It's a good move for the blues. They have plenty of cap space to sign miller and they gave up a mediocre prospect and a low 1st rounder
- drummer829

I like it for the Blues as well.

just looking at young guys on the trade block... i would like to get someone around 25-28 yrs old
- nh4442

I'm on the Hemsky bandwagon now that he's an UFA. Probably cheap and limited risk playing for a contract.

I'm on the Hemsky bandwagon now that he's an UFA. Probably cheap and limited risk playing for a contract.
- madmike71

It's a smart play IMO.

Every time I watch these deadline deals go down I remember that only one trade is the 'right' trade because only one team can win. At least with the rentals that's true but you know what I mean.

I don't hate everything about this team. I happen to see more than you do. I'm bothered by decisions made by Shero in the past. He is all the sudden horrid with asset management. The Iggy trade was terrible. He was redundant and not needed. Shero's response last year "you only get one chance to acquire Jerome Iginla" There was no plan. He saw a legend and went for a trade without a plan. He gave away a tremendous amount of assets last year for rentals, maybe of which could have helped land more long term solutions.

Ryan Kesler makes us a little better, but doesn't solve our pressing problems because I vied him as our third line center, not a winger for Sid.
- Oneonta Penguin

Not even sure what that is supposed to mean, but it comes off pretty Richardish, so relax. I happen to think that a team with Kunitz/Crosby, Malkin/Neal, and Kesler with possibly Bennett and Megna, or maybe even Jokinen is good enough to compete for a Cup. A winger for Sid is not a fix for this team, that still leaves two inadequate lines. But adding Kesler to the third line gives us 3 good lines vs two. We roll those 3 and just throw the 4th out there for breathers and I like our odds. Better than 2 really good lines and garbage for the other 2.

Not even sure what that is supposed to mean, but it comes off pretty Richardish, so relax. I happen to think that a team with Kunitz/Crosby, Malkin/Neal, and Kesler with possibly Bennett and Megna, or maybe even Jokinen is good enough to compete for a Cup. A winger for Sid is not a fix for this team, that still leaves two inadequate lines. But adding Kesler to the third line gives us 3 good lines vs two. We roll those 3 and just throw the 4th out there for breathers and I like our odds. Better than 2 really good lines and garbage for the other 2.
- PensFan1103

There are factors I happen to care about more than you, more than almost most people here. Ramifications of a deal; cap space; asset management and quite frankly common sense. It's dumb to start trading away all D prospects knowing three free agents could leave after this year and Martin is gone the next. We have some fragile guys back there as well (Letang, Martin). You need depth and talent. While Dumoulin and Samuelsson did well, I'd just as soon see what Harrington and Pouliot bring to see what you have. I'm not saying you don't have any commonsense. However, too many people on these boards are too star struck and want to make a deal just to make a deal. Many dolts on the Hfboards last year, Penguin fan except me, was all about trading for Iggy. Maatta's name came up frequently by those dolts. They only want the big name and the hell with everything else. Shero has had successes at this point of the season and quite frankly disasters as well. Last year, absent Jokinen was a epic fail. Sometimes the best deals are the ones that aren't made. Shero needs to restrain himself this deadline. We don't have a plethora of quality assets people would want; we can't afford to trade some of them for obvious reasons and quite frankly, a major trade this year could shut us out next year when we could have the team that can win the Cup and you need that one piece. We have several pieces missing here, not one. I hope I have explained myself. I feel like a broken record, but those are the facts.

Jason Megna isn't anyone to rely on as a fulltime answer. He is a nice role player that can fill in when someone gets hurt. However, if you start relying on Gibbons, Megna, we have issues.

Good transcript of Bylsma's interview for the stadium game on Pannaccio's thread. Martin had surgery. F the Olympics.

KDKA just reported the Canucks had a scout in WB.

Good transcript of Bylsma's interview for the stadium game on Pannaccio's thread. Martin had surgery. F the Olympics.

KDKA just reported the Canucks had a scout in WB.
- madmike71

I can see where owners and Gms don't want players to go to the Olympics. Zetterberg, Martin, Tavaras, Zuccarello and a few others sustained injuries. Two of those guys are out for the season. It will be hard to tell the players you can't go. They will scream and there will be a clash. I thought the NHL would have a program with the 2.5 week break as far as interest. It didn't based on early returns. Fans are recharged. Some of the players that didn't go to the Olympics that were injured, were allowed to rest and recover. Johan Franzen has come back and looked great.

As far as the Vancouver scouts, can I assume they aren't looking at Pierre-Luc French guy? I can only see them scouting Harrington. I don't think Dumoulin passes the test for them.

Instead of Kesler, maybe go after Yannick Hansen for the third line. He would come less expensive.

I can see where owners and Gms don't want players to go to the Olympics. Zetterberg, Martin, Tavaras, Zuccarello and a few others sustained injuries. Two of those guys are out for the season. It will be hard to tell the players you can't go. They will scream and there will be a clash. I thought the NHL would have a program with the 2.5 week break as far as interest. It didn't based on early returns. Fans are recharged. Some of the players that didn't go to the Olympics that were injured, were allowed to rest and recover. Johan Franzen has come back and looked great.

As far as the Vancouver scouts, can I assume they aren't looking at Pierre-Luc French guy? I can only see them scouting Harrington. I don't think Dumoulin passes the test for them.

Instead of Kesler, maybe go after Yannick Hansen for the third line. He would come less expensive.
- Oneonta Penguin

Like I said before, the Olympics can dramatically affect a teams cup chances. We've lost our best D. Rags lost their scoring leader. If the Isle were vying for a playoff spot, their season just went up in smoke. If I'm the owners, I lay down the law and say no way are we going.

I agree, they'd be looking at Harrington. I think Dumoulin is hurt. If they ship out Pouliot, I'll be really pissed. I've read good things about him this year. He looked great at the WJC. Really hope they abandon that fantasy of Kesler.

I'm on the Hemsky bandwagon now that he's an UFA. Probably cheap and limited risk playing for a contract.
- madmike71

In past years I was against it whenever his name came up but this year, with the injuries, I too wouldn't mind a trade for him. Of course it depends on what the Pens would give up. They didn't need him in prior years but the forward depth is sorely lacking right now.

In past years I was against it whenever his name came up but this year, with the injuries, I too wouldn't mind a trade for him. Of course it depends on what the Pens would give up. They didn't need him in prior years but the forward depth is sorely lacking right now.
- acdc1206

I think there are many that feel this way now, me included. Totally against him before due to a variety of things (fragile, enigma, non productive) and now that his price is probably minimal and he is a ufa after the season, you have nothing to lose as long as you don't give anything more than a third round pick and a Tier C prospect.

This is a 100% correct. It just so happens we have the best player in the world and another that is probably among the top four. They both play center too. If Vancouver fan thinks Kesler, who is a very good player, supplants Crosby or Malkin to nudge in the top two, they are delusional. Kesler is a second line center for 99% of the teams in the NHL. He happens to be a third line center on one team and that is Pittsburgh.
- Oneonta Penguin

Of course not, no one is saying that. A fellow penguins fan said Kesler is a third line centre and such is his value on the market. I said just because he's third line on the pens doesn't mean you can offer us crap.

Of course not, no one is saying that. A fellow penguins fan said Kesler is a third line centre and such is his value on the market. I said just because he's third line on the pens doesn't mean you can offer us crap.
- Scooby_Doo

Sutter + Pouliot are far from crap. Excellent players for a mini-rebuild in Van.

There are factors I happen to care about more than you, more than almost most people here. Ramifications of a deal; cap space; asset management and quite frankly common sense.
- Oneonta Penguin

Condescension aside, what you prioritize in your opinion doesn't make you smarter than other fans, it just makes you someone with a different opinion.

We understand what we'd be giving up in a trade, but we also know recognize that Shero hasn't yet traded away a prospect or a young player who has thrived elsewhere. This staff has been very good at identifying what they have, and what they feel comfortable in giving up.

I'd rather not trade away another first round pick, especially without a second this year, but I will withhold judgement. They went into last year's draft without a first or second, and ended up getting a 2nd for Kennedy, and traded that up to draft probably the best goaltender in the draft.

Looking at the weather tonight it will be colder than dry ice balls in your shorts tonight in Chicago.

http://www.accuweather.co...r-forecast/348308?hour=15

Looking at the weather tonight it will be colder than dry ice balls in your shorts tonight in Chicago.

http://www.accuweather.co...r-forecast/348308?hour=15