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nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Feb 28 @ 10:53 AM ET
Until April comes around.
- jmatchett383


When the flyers will be playing golf
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 10:53 AM ET
I don't think it's joke-worthy. He actually may have a point.
- jmatchett383


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 28 @ 10:55 AM ET
When the flyers will be playing golf
- nonpoint22


Maybe. That well-run franchise has won as many playoff rounds as that constantly-transitioning roster of the Flyers since 08-09.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 10:56 AM ET
As a STH, I am okay with a few bad years as long as they're fairly forward about it and stick with it. It's when they keep selling you a retooled roster year after year where I have a problem.
- jmatchett383



Can anybody here say, with any degree of confidence, what this team's identity is supposed to be?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 28 @ 10:57 AM ET
Can anybody here say, with any degree of confidence, what this team's identity is supposed to be?
- Tomahawk


The best UFAs available, irrelevant of team needs.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 28 @ 10:57 AM ET
Can anybody here say, with any degree of confidence, what this team's identity is supposed to be?
- Tomahawk

playoff contenders every year. which they are
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Feb 28 @ 10:57 AM ET
I can see why comcast lost 100,000 flyer viewers




nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Feb 28 @ 10:58 AM ET
Maybe. That well-run franchise has won as many playoff rounds as that constantly-transitioning roster of the Flyers since 08-09.
- jmatchett383


All I am saying is even though they are playoff choke artists...I just see a more stable franchise....all I am saying
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 28 @ 10:58 AM ET
playoff contenders every year. which they are
- stayinthefnnet


Totally serious question for you:

Heading into the playoffs this year, would you rather have MAF or Steve Mason as your starter?
SchennBros
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gettysburg, PA
Joined: 08.06.2012

Feb 28 @ 10:59 AM ET
So then what is the solution when you see the same problems spanning across completely different rosters and coaches? It is baffling to me.
- MBFlyerfan


IMO it hasn't. He is thinking back to when Richie and Carter were here and they always had a slump in the middle of the year. The fact is slumps happen to most teams. What the issue is with this team is not that there are slumps, but that there seems to be an "in-game" issue that is causing this team to lose. Pin-pointing the issue just seems impossible to me.

Is it Speed, Skill, Inexperience, Lack of leadership, Gaps, Laziness, who knows...
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 28 @ 10:59 AM ET
All I am saying is even though they are playoff choke artists...I just see a more stable franchise....all I am saying
- nonpoint22


They are very stable. As are the Edmonton Oilers. Same types of players year after year, same results year after year.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Feb 28 @ 10:59 AM ET
Can anybody here say, with any degree of confidence, what this team's identity is supposed to be?
- Tomahawk


Is inconsistency a team identity
SchennBros
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gettysburg, PA
Joined: 08.06.2012

Feb 28 @ 11:01 AM ET
So if I said the Blackhawks were a legit contender, and the Sabres aren't I would be incorrect right?
- PLindbergh31


I mean when you're in the playoffs. Thus the point of the topic of not selling when your in a playoff hunt.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 28 @ 11:02 AM ET
Is inconsistency a team identity
- nonpoint22


An inconsistent team you can always be trust to be inconsistent, consistently. It's the consistent ones you have to be worried about, because you never know when they'll do something stupid.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 28 @ 11:02 AM ET
Totally serious question for you:

Heading into the playoffs this year, would you rather have MAF or Steve Mason as your starter?

- jmatchett383

i legitimately do not know.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Feb 28 @ 11:02 AM ET
I mean when you're in the playoffs. Thus the point of the topic of not selling when your in a playoff hunt.
- SchennBros


So the Columbus Blue Jackets and Minnesota Wild were legit contenders last year?
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Feb 28 @ 11:03 AM ET
They are very stable. As are the Edmonton Oilers. Same types of players year after year, same results year after year.
- jmatchett383


I actually think Edmonton is extremely unstable...same players, but different coaches, different GMs and really no plan or philosophy. One is a playoff team and cup contender every year and one is a basement dweller that keeps telling there fans to be patient with all the young kids and there potential but they never addressed defense or goal tending , hmm that sounds familiar, How you can compare the Sharks and Oilers and say they are the same is kinda incredible
SchennBros
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gettysburg, PA
Joined: 08.06.2012

Feb 28 @ 11:07 AM ET
I honestly look at the Sharks and say "what a well run franchise"...I know they havent won the cup, but they are always a contender and rarely make the big moves..Alot of there team is from in house and the coach has been there since '08. Everything about that team is sturdy with a good foundation....
- nonpoint22


So Thornton, Heatley, Havlat, Niemi, Burns, Torres, Stuart are all in house players? I would say the Sharks have aquired more of their team then grew them in-house.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Feb 28 @ 11:09 AM ET
They are very stable. As are the Edmonton Oilers. Same types of players year after year, same results year after year.
- jmatchett383

with Homer you know you will have old D men and lots of centers...plus a farm team with tons of 4th line prospects
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Feb 28 @ 11:09 AM ET
So if I said the Blackhawks were a legit contender, and the Sabres aren't I would be incorrect right?
- PLindbergh31

I have this dream that the Sabres bite and claw their way up to the bottom wild card spot and play the Penguins 1st round... And then we all get to watch as Fleury implodes and the Sabres knock the Penguins off...
Course, then I wake up.
SchennBros
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gettysburg, PA
Joined: 08.06.2012

Feb 28 @ 11:10 AM ET
So the Columbus Blue Jackets and Minnesota Wild were legit contenders last year?
- jmatchett383


If they made the playoffs one of them could have won the cup... Yes.
SchennBros
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gettysburg, PA
Joined: 08.06.2012

Feb 28 @ 11:12 AM ET
I actually think Edmonton is extremely unstable...same players, but different coaches, different GMs and really no plan or philosophy. One is a playoff team and cup contender every year and one is a basement dweller that keeps telling there fans to be patient with all the young kids and there potential but they never addressed defense or goal tending , hmm that sounds familiar, How you can compare the Sharks and Oilers and say they are the same is kinda incredible
- nonpoint22

Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 11:12 AM ET
playoff contenders every year. which they are
- stayinthefnnet



That's the goal, but it's not a persona to get you there.

Like the Pens ride their star power, and LA/BOS dishearten you offensively while grinding you into the ground, and CHI/DET are going to win because they're never going to give you the puck, and NJ/NYR are all about contesting everything and out-working their way to wins.

The Flyers seem to have a finger or toe in all these philosophies, but when you consider everything, they're totally directionless in a sense.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Feb 28 @ 11:14 AM ET
That's the goal, but it's not a persona to get you there.

Like the Pens ride their star power, and LA/BOS dishearten you offensively while grinding you into the ground, and CHI/DET are going to win because they're never going to give you the puck, and NJ/NYR are all about contesting everything and out-working their way to wins.

The Flyers seem to have a finger or toe in all these philosophies, but when you consider everything, they're totally directionless in a sense.

- Tomahawk

Right now blind passes, low percentage shots from the outside, and chirping are our strategy...
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 28 @ 11:15 AM ET
I don't think it's joke-worthy. He actually may have a point.
- jmatchett383


Im being serious
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