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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 8:40 PM ET
It's not breaking news that you don't understand how the cap works.

Pronger's $4.94 million hit must be included in any roster submitted at the end of training camp. There is no way around it. This means the Flyers have $66m to use on players who can actually play instead of $71 million.

- Feanor


My posting history here points out that I understand how the Cap works as well as anyone, if not better. And I'm well aware of how the Flyers have to proceed with Pronger. It's not going to stop the Flyers from having plenty of Cap space flexibility.
And you're last statement is not true, because there are other factors that a team can use such as waiving and demoting players, using the bonus cushion, etc.

Every year I read the same comments, that turn out to be false. How the Flyers are screwed every year with the cap. Yet every Season they make large offers to players. And every year they make it work. Here's a misconception of the Cap. A team doesn't necessarily have to be at or under the Upper Limit at the end of training camp, or submit the actual roster that will actually play during the Season. A team just has to be Cap compliant.

The Flyers have about 12.6M to use next Season. That is before putting Pronger on LTIR. When in effect their Upper Limit will go to about 76M. And the Flyers have the option of placing Pronger on LTIR when submitting their roster at the end of training camp.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Feb 28 @ 8:41 PM ET
Flyersgod- I think you underrate vas....he was set to go in the second round if not for a shoulder injury. He's already playing in the khl. I don't think he's as long of a shot as you think.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 8:42 PM ET
Flyersgod- I think you underrate vas....he was set to go in the second round if not for a shoulder injury. He's already playing in the khl. I don't think he's as long of a shot as you think.
- PhillaBully


Bigger question is if he even wants to leave Russia
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Feb 28 @ 8:42 PM ET
It's not breaking news that you don't understand how the cap works.

Pronger's $4.94 million hit must be included in any roster submitted at the end of training camp. There is no way around it. This means the Flyers have $66m to use on players who can actually play instead of $71 million.

- Feanor

If anyone knows the new cba inside and out its mjl
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Feb 28 @ 8:43 PM ET
Bigger question is if he even wants to leave Russia
- ob18

I think I heard on a report or somewhere he wants to come over in a year or two
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 28 @ 8:44 PM ET
Bigger question is if he even wants to leave Russia
- ob18


No matter what happens, he was a good pick for the 7th round.

I think his game is better suited to the smaller rink.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 8:44 PM ET
I think I heard on a report or somewhere he wants to come over in a year or two
- PhillaBully


I have not seen the same report, if true great. All it will take is an offer of that will give him more $$ than he'd make on a ELC
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 8:45 PM ET
No matter what happens, he was a good pick for the 7th round.

I think his game is better suited to the smaller rink.

- PhillySportsGuy


That's a good risk, if it works great if not you only spent a 7th rounder on the player.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Feb 28 @ 8:50 PM ET
I have not seen the same report, if true great. All it will take is an offer of that will give him more $$ than he'd make on a ELC
- ob18

I can't remember the source so I hope I'm not pulling out of thin air
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 8:52 PM ET
After 2

Oshawa - 4
Mississauga - 1

Laughton with an assist
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 8:52 PM ET
I can't remember the source so I hope I'm not pulling out of thin air
- PhillaBully


Didn't come prepared
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 28 @ 8:54 PM ET
I can't remember the source so I hope I'm not pulling out of thin air
- PhillaBully


You may be confusing him with Hagg. I know Hagg stated he wanted to play 2 seasons in SHL before coming to NA. Apparently, that may have hurt his draft stock.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Feb 28 @ 8:59 PM ET
You may be confusing him with Hagg. I know Hagg stated he wanted to play 2 seasons in SHL before coming to NA. Apparently, that may have hurt his draft stock.
- PhillySportsGuy

You know what I think you're right. My mistake
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 28 @ 9:01 PM ET
You know what I think you're right. My mistake
- PhillaBully


No worries. I won't ridicule you…yet
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

Feb 28 @ 9:02 PM ET
No worries. I won't ridicule you…yet
- PhillySportsGuy

After driving 7 hours today my mind is mush
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 9:03 PM ET
Didn't see this posted earlier. Forgive me if I've missed it.

Sabres ask Ehrhoff where he won't accept trade

http://www.nhl.com/ice/bl...=26642&navid=nhl:topheads
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 9:03 PM ET
After 2

Rouyn-Noranda - 0
Rimouski - 1

Morin with an assist
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 28 @ 9:04 PM ET
After driving 7 hours today my mind is mush
- PhillaBully


I have a long drive to work. It's a full half mile from my apartment!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 9:04 PM ET
Didn't see this posted earlier. Forgive me if I've missed it.

Sabres ask Ehrhoff where he won't accept trade

http://www.nhl.com/ice/bl...=26642&navid=nhl:topheads

- hereticpride



I'd love to see the list!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 9:05 PM ET
Sabers did good

Buffalo Sabres ‏@BuffaloSabres
#Sabres get a 2014 first round pick if St. Louis makes Western Conference Finals this year or if Miller re-signs with Blues.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 9:06 PM ET
I'd love to see the list!
- MJL

Only 8 teams he wont go to. That's good at least.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 28 @ 9:07 PM ET
Sabers did good

Buffalo Sabres ‏@BuffaloSabres
#Sabres get a 2014 first round pick if St. Louis makes Western Conference Finals this year or if Miller re-signs with Blues.

- ob18


So whats the total haul?

Chris Stewart
Halak
Carrier
2015 1st
2015 3rd
Conditional 2014 1st?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 28 @ 9:07 PM ET
I'd love to see the list!
- MJL


I like Ehrhoff. He'd be a nice addition.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Feb 28 @ 9:08 PM ET
Sabers did good

Buffalo Sabres ‏@BuffaloSabres
#Sabres get a 2014 first round pick if St. Louis makes Western Conference Finals this year or if Miller re-signs with Blues.

- ob18

Jesus. Knowing that I can safely say the Blues gave up way too much in this deal.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 9:08 PM ET
So whats the total haul?

Chris Stewart
Halak
Carrier
2015 1st
2015 3rd
Conditional 2014 1st?

- PhillySportsGuy


Yup, really good haul. And they might be flipping Stewart to Ottawa........Ottawa was rumored to want him.
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