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Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 28 @ 6:54 PM ET
I don't agree with the talk that Lecavalier doesn't fit.
- MJL

They wanted him to be 2nd line center. B Schenn to wing. I get it. Simmonds on the other side. Horrible defensive set up. Not saying it couldn't work, but taking certain guys and making them play out of position does not mean it is a good fit. Briere couldn't play wing to save his job.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 7:00 PM ET
They wanted him to be 2nd line center. B Schenn to wing. I get it. Simmonds on the other side. Horrible defensive set up. Not saying it couldn't work, but taking certain guys and making them play out of position does not mean it is a good fit. Briere couldn't play wing to save his job.
- Deasr1


I think those things are exaggerated. What has to happen is that a player, especially one that has played one position his entire career, needs some time to adjust to playing a new position. Briere struggled at Wing, but just needed more time to adjust. I read time and again that Carter can't play Wing, and that Richards and Carter can't play together. Both those proved to be unfounded in LA. Lecavalier has played Center mostly, and some RW. Now he's being asked to play LW. He needs some time to adjust that. That's on top of his injuries this year. I go by one simple rule. Judge a player over a longer period of time, and you get a truer picture. Give Lecavalier some time to adjust and hopefully get healthy, and see what happens.

Same with B Schenn versus being a Winger or a Center. And discussions on what spot is better for him. I think what's better for him is putting him in a spot and leaving him there. Instead of bouncing him around.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:05 PM ET
I think those things are exaggerated. What has to happen is that a player, especially one that has played one position his entire career, needs some time to adjust to playing a new position. Briere struggled at Wing, but just needed more time to adjust. I read time and again that Carter can't play Wing, and that Richards and Carter can't play together. Both those proved to be unfounded in LA. Lecavalier has played Center mostly, and some RW. Now he's being asked to play LW. He needs some time to adjust that. That's on top of his injuries this year. I go by one simple rule. Judge a player over a longer period of time, and you get a truer picture. Give Lecavalier some time to adjust and hopefully get healthy, and see what happens.

Same with B Schenn versus being a Winger or a Center. And discussions on what spot is better for him. I think what's better for him is putting him in a spot and leaving him there. Instead of bouncing him around.

- MJL

I agree with the B Schenn statement 100%. But VL isn't on the good side of 30 where his injures wont cause him to miss games as much and that it would hamper his getting used to the other position. I like VL, good player. I just don't think he was a move we needed to make. They always loved him, he became available. BOOM.....he's a Flyer. Why not spend that contract on a younger winger for B Schenn?
Winning
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Put in Matt Read
Joined: 03.29.2011

Feb 28 @ 7:06 PM ET

[STL/BUF]J.Halak, C.Stewart, W.Carrier, 1st & 3rd for R.Miller & S.Ott
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Feb 28 @ 7:06 PM ET
Ryan Miller and Steve Ott have been traded to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for Jaroslav Halak, Chris Stewart, William Carrier, a first-round draft pick in 2015 and a third-round draft pick in 2016.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 28 @ 7:06 PM ET
[STL/BUF]J.Halak, C.Stewart, W.Carrier, 1st & 3rd for R.Miller & S.Ott
- Winning

wut
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 28 @ 7:07 PM ET
Ryan Miller and Steve Ott have been traded to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for Jaroslav Halak, Chris Stewart, William Carrier, a first-round draft pick in 2015 and a third-round draft pick in 2016.
- flyer_nutter

jesus christ
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:08 PM ET
jesus christ
- 2Real

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 7:09 PM ET
I agree with the B Schenn statement 100%. But VL isn't on the good side of 30 where his injures wont cause him to miss games as much and that it would hamper his getting used to the other position. I like VL, good player. I just don't think he was a move we needed to make. They always loved him, he became available. BOOM.....he's a Flyer. Why not spend that contract on a younger winger for B Schenn?
- Deasr1


What younger Winger? You've got a chance to add a player like Lecavalier on the cheap, it's a no brainer in my opinion. The guy is a player. He was real good before the back injury. Now he's had an injury, been moved around, it has an effect even on a veteran. I'm not at the point of writing Lecavalier off yet. I think it's extremely premature to do so.

And there is also the possibility that trades are made, and the Center position opens up again.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:09 PM ET
Ryan Miller and Steve Ott have been traded to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for Jaroslav Halak, Chris Stewart, William Carrier, a first-round draft pick in 2015 and a third-round draft pick in 2016.
- flyer_nutter

That's quite a haul. The Blues are going for it this year. Good for them. I may root for them depending on where we are playoff time.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:10 PM ET
Ryan Miller and Steve Ott have been traded to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for Jaroslav Halak, Chris Stewart, William Carrier, a first-round draft pick in 2015 and a third-round draft pick in 2016.
- flyer_nutter


That is a monster (frank)ing deal
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:11 PM ET
What younger Winger? You've got a chance to add a player like Lecavalier on the cheap, it's a no brainer in my opinion. The guy is a player. He was real good before the back injury. Now he's had an injury, been moved around, it has an effect even on a veteran. I'm not at the point of writing Lecavalier off yet. I think it's extremely premature to do so.

And there is also the possibility that trades are made, and the Center position opens up again.

- MJL

Ok, very true. Maybe they move the Schenns for that D-man. But if they are part of the "core", then why not build on that. Look to add a scoring winger for him to center. VL, good player. I just didn't think he was move we needed to make.
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 28 @ 7:11 PM ET
That is a monster (frank)ing deal
- Tomahawk

Massive overpay IMO. This is exactly why I want the Flyers sell their soon to be older UFAs.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 28 @ 7:13 PM ET
Massive overpay IMO. This is exactly why I want the Flyers sell their soon to be older UFAs.
- five4fighting10

YUP imagine waht timonen would get
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:15 PM ET
YUP imagine waht timonen would get
- 2Real

A cold?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:15 PM ET
Massive overpay IMO. This is exactly why I want the Flyers sell their soon to be older UFAs.
- five4fighting10


Buffalo is absolutely stacked with picks and prospects... if they could draft for poop, I might actually be worried.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 28 @ 7:17 PM ET
Ok, very true. Maybe they move the Schenns for that D-man. But if they are part of the "core", then why not build on that. Look to add a scoring winger for him to center. VL, good player. I just didn't think he was move we needed to make.
- Deasr1


I would hope that any D man that they are willing to trade B Schenn for is also young. So therefore it's not taking away from the youth core, it's trading youth for youth. Unless it's for an elite defenseman such as Weber. That would be the only scenario where I could accept trading B Schenn for an older player.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:17 PM ET
Buffalo is absolutely stacked with picks and prospects... if they could draft for poop, I might actually be worried.
- Tomahawk

Would you trade the Schenns for any of those picks and prospects? Just curious?
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:18 PM ET
I would hope that any D man that they are willing to trade B Schenn for is also young. So therefore it's not taking away from the youth core, it's trading youth for youth. Unless it's for an elite defenseman such as Weber. That would be the only scenario where I could accept trading B Schenn for an older player.
- MJL

I fully agree with you. But you and I both know Weber would cost them too mush that I feel they should part with.
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 28 @ 7:20 PM ET
YUP imagine waht timonen would get
- 2Real

Exactly! I can only hope Homer thinks the way many on this board do and pull a SJ from last year's deadline.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:20 PM ET
Would you trade the Schenns for any of those picks and prospects? Just curious?
- Deasr1


Naw... if they're dealing the Schenns, I'd want players around the same point on the development curve.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Feb 28 @ 7:24 PM ET
That is a monster (frank)ing deal
- Tomahawk


It's the NHL I used to love, back for one evening -- move some people the hell out so you can try to win the whole damn thing!
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:25 PM ET
Naw... if they're dealing the Schenns, I'd want players around the same point on the development curve.
- Tomahawk

Would you do an Elder and Burrows for the Schenns and say a prospect and low pick?
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:25 PM ET
It's the NHL I used to love, back for one evening -- move some people the hell out so you can try to win the whole damn thing!
- AllInForFlyers

When did Clarke start GMing there?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Feb 28 @ 7:27 PM ET
Would you do an Elder and Burrows for the Schenns and say a prospect and low pick?
- Deasr1


No, but I'm not a fan of Edler or Burrows.

Btw, apparently Chris Stewart is about to get moved again.
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