Yes and no. Only till the first day of the season then he can be LTIR, and even then the Flyers can go over the cap by 10% before then, which is more then prongers cap hit. Plus this season they wont have any bonus penality to pay out. Plenty of room for moves once the increase to the cap is official.
- SchennBros

How do you know they won't have any bonus penalties to pay out?

This I cannot get behind. You never stop trying to make your team better. Ever!
- MJL

i doubt the end game for any deal is to make the team worse. even the blatant tanking the sixers are doing is intended to eventually make them better. the question isn't whether to make the team better but how that is accomplished. the flyers are usually a competitive team with the occasional hiccup. that said they have left gaping holes in the teams they construct for whatever reason (undervaluing goalies, not having a solid D or many prospects).

So every year only one team makes good moves?
- MJL

Going over the Cap by 10% in summer won't help them fit any free agent signings they make on the roster at the end of training camp. And when they put Pronger on LTIR on the first day of the season all the good free agents will have been signed months ago.

It's amazing that three years into this so many Flyer fans don't understand how LTIR works. This is the kind of cap space you can expect without trades.


- Feanor

I hate to break it to you, but the other fans are correct. The Flyers will have more Cap room then that to play with.

Sorry to do this, but the Bryz signing just sucks. If they didn't sign him, they could have bought out Pronger and been done with this whole thing. Very frustrating.
- PhillySportsGuy

Can't do it for an injured player. And it would be foolish to do so anyway.

i doubt the end game for any deal is to make the team worse. even the blatant tanking the sixers are doing is intended to eventually make them better. the question isn't whether to make the team better but how that is accomplished. the flyers are usually a competitive team with the occasional hiccup. that said they have left gaping holes in the teams they construct for whatever reason (undervaluing goalies, not having a solid D or many prospects).
- hogweed

Yep. They desire to win every year is great. The decision making that it fosters sometimes ends up being faulty.

That's why I'd sell at this TDL. You want a real number one defenseman? The more assets wasted on rentals the less you have to land that guy.

What a mess.
- tangent_man

You're too kind

So every year only one team makes good moves?
- MJL

well only one team wins right?

Yep. They desire to win every year is great. The decision making that it fosters sometimes ends up being faulty.

That's why I'd sell at this TDL. You want a real number one defenseman? The more assets wasted on rentals the less you have to land that guy.
- Jsaquella

Completely would be my approach.

You have a list of guys teams may be interested in. If deals make sense, I'd have little to no issue moving a few of the following:

-Grossmann, LSchenn, Meszaros, Hartnell and Timonen. This team is winning jack poop, lets stop living in la la land. Build for the future, not trying to hang on to players who will be irrelevant to a success that boasts more than one playoff round victory.

Yep. They desire to win every year is great. The decision making that it fosters sometimes ends up being faulty.

That's why I'd sell at this TDL. You want a real number one defenseman? The more assets wasted on rentals the less you have to land that guy.
- Jsaquella

Most times a team trading for rentals is giving up youth to take a shot. Last trade deadline they didn't give up any real assets for rentals. And I think it's pretty clear that the Flyers seemed committed to this nucleus, and don't seem that willing to trade any youth. I don't see them being sellers, but I don't see them renting either. I think some minor deals will be made, or maybe moving Meszaros. But I don't expect a big splash. We'll see.

Most times a team trading for rentals is giving up youth to take a shot. Last trade deadline they didn't give up any real assets for rentals. And I think it's pretty clear that the Flyers seemed committed to this nucleus, and don't seem that willing to trade any youth. I don't see them being sellers, but I don't see them renting either. I think some minor deals will be made, or maybe moving Meszaros. But I don't expect a big splash. We'll see.
- MJL

"I don't see them selling and I don't see them buying" great prediction.

It may rain it may not rain you must be a weather forecaster.

So with Girardi now locked up Mesz might be the best D rental available. Wow.

I would also suggest, that if the current management crew is so focused on its current young nucleus.

Then they should be willing to give them bigger roles, and minutes. Instead of signing guys like LeCavalier or Streit who no other team will even touch and the contracts will hang around the neck of this team for years. All just in a hope to make the playoffs.

Completely would be my approach.

You have a list of guys teams may be interested in. If deals make sense, I'd have little to no issue moving a few of the following:

-Grossmann, LSchenn, Meszaros, Hartnell and Timonen. This team is winning jack poop, lets stop living in la la land. Build for the future, not trying to hang on to players who will be irrelevant to a success that boats more than one playoff round victory.
- flyer_nutter

Timonen is likely retiring. So not sure why he should be included in any talk of the future. Meszaros is likely gone also. Grossmann and Hartnell are solid veterans and good players, who absolutely can be part of the future of this team going forward. They aren't that old. And the same can be said as always, if a deal for one of those 2 makes sense for the team, and makes the team better, then do so. L Schenn is a 24 year old defenseman. What makes him irrelevant for the future? I have no idea what living in la la land means. But somewhere this idea exists that a team building for the future does so with all youth, and without a veteran mix in addition to the youth. Those veterans are paramount to a young team developing. That's why NHL GM's always have a mix of veterans with youth.

So with Girardi now locked up Mesz might be the best D rental available. Wow.
- hereticpride

Well this is the thing, with having Meszaros, Luke Schenn, Grossmann and Timonen in the fold.

The Flyers should be sellers. Its what Im hoping for anyway. The long term view, not a short term focus of winning a round or two.

I would also suggest, that if the current management crew is so focused on its current young nucleus.

Then they should be willing to give them bigger roles, and minutes. Instead of signing guys like LeCavalier or Streit who no other team will even touch and the contracts will hang around the neck of this team for years. All just in a hope to make the playoffs.
- flyer_nutter

None of the young Flyers defenseman are capable of playing the role that Streit does for this team. And Lecavalier has not taken any ice time away from the younger players. Whether another team will touch those contracts is irrelevant, if it's even the case. And both those players weren't signed in the hope of making the playoffs this Season. They were singed to multi year deals as part of this team going forward. And they are good players.

Well this is the thing, with having Meszaros, Luke Schenn, Grossmann and Timonen in the fold.

The Flyers should be sellers. Its what Im hoping for anyway. The long term view, not a short term focus of winning a round or two.
- flyer_nutter

The Flyers have built a core nucleus of young players that they seem unwilling to trade. It's pretty clear to me that they have a long term focus in what they are putting together here, rather a short term focus on winning a round or two.

Timonen is likely retiring. So not sure why he should be included in any talk of the future. Meszaros is likely gone also. Grossmann and Hartnell are solid veterans and good players, who absolutely can be part of the future of this team going forward. They aren't that old. And the same can be said as always, if a deal for one of those 2 makes sense for the team, and makes the team better, then do so. L Schenn is a 24 year old defenseman. What makes him irrelevant for the future? I have no idea what living in la la land means. But somewhere this idea exists that a team building for the future does so with all youth, and without a veteran mix in addition to the youth. Those veterans are paramount to a young team developing. That's why NHL GM's always have a mix of veterans with youth.
- MJL

To sell. I think its a good time to do so, and I am of the belief that this team is more than just one magical player away from winning the cup. I think they are a few years away as it is.

I hope that they sell some of the players I mentioned, who imo are irrelevant to the team's long term success. Either because of age, signs of decline or overall ability.

You are free to believe what you wish, no worries here. I know what direction I want them to take.

None of the young Flyers defenseman are capable of playing the role that Streit does for this team. And Lecavalier has not taken any ice time away from the younger players. Whether another team will touch those contracts is irrelevant, if it's even the case. And both those players weren't signed in the hope of making the playoffs this Season. They were singed to multi year deals as part of this team going forward. And they are good players.
- MJL

I will say this, in regards to them being good players.

None of us have the insight of what goes on in an NHL GM's mind. However... Do you truly think any team would even touch the contracts of Streit or LeCavalier?

To sell. I think its a good time to do so, and I am of the belief that this team is more than just one magical player away from winning the cup. I think they are a few years away as it is.

I hope that they sell some of the players I mentioned, who imo are irrelevant to the team's long term success. Either because of age, signs of decline or overall ability.

You are free to believe what you wish, no worries here. I know what direction I want them to take.
- flyer_nutter

I don't disagree at all that trading Timonen and Meszaros for future assets could help the team in the future. They aren't as we know, part of the future. So why are they included in talking about the future? And the other players, are part of the future. I would not be opposed to trading any of them in a deal that helps the team. And makes the team better. That's why trades are made, and why I would suggest trading any of them. That's a valid reason for making a trade. That a fan doesn't like them as players, isn't a valid reason just to trade a player because.

The Flyers have built a core nucleus of young players that they seem unwilling to trade. It's pretty clear to me that they have a long term focus in what they are putting together here, rather a short term focus on winning a round or two.
- MJL

Yeah but whose view is this? Homer's? Snyder's? Hexy's? I like our young core. I'm mean this is Philly, we have to see who wins this year's cup so we can build our team.

Most times a team trading for rentals is giving up youth to take a shot. Last trade deadline they didn't give up any real assets for rentals. And I think it's pretty clear that the Flyers seemed committed to this nucleus, and don't seem that willing to trade any youth. I don't see them being sellers, but I don't see them renting either. I think some minor deals will be made, or maybe moving Meszaros. But I don't expect a big splash. We'll see.
- MJL

Bravo Flyers, You were smart enough to not trade for rentals when you were sitting at or near dead last in the league.

I will say this, in regards to them being good players.

None of us have the insight of what goes on in an NHL GM's mind. However... Do you truly think any team would even touch the contracts of Streit or LeCavalier?
- flyer_nutter

Yes, I do. I remember when it was said that no team would touch Scott Gomez' contract. That proved to be false. And part of the issue is the belief that Streit and Lecavalier's deals are bad deals and would be considered so around the League. That belief is false. They certainly wouldn't be easy to move, and there are issues such as Lecavalier's back that could be an issue. But both are good players who are respected around the League as good players. Regardless of how any Flyers fans might feel about them.

Bravo Flyers, You were smart enough to not trade for rentals when you were sitting at or near dead last in the league.
- Just5

And what did they do last year at the deadline? I think the path this team is on, is pretty clear.

And the Flyers finished 20th in the League last year, and missed the playoffs by 6 points.

And last year, with the trade deadline on Apr 3rd. The Flyers were 2 points out of a playoff spot on Apr 1st.

flyers should trade Braydn Schenn and Luke Schenn for Tyler Myers +

Tyler Myers has huge potential on a very bad Buffalo team. Change of scenery would be huge for a 24 year old