If your ok with a guy who is a top end 50 point player as one of your main building blocks then go for it...yes I would like my top end guys to produce a little more, but thats just me I guess.....not saying he is a bad player just not "top end" build around him player..
- nonpoint22

If he's gonna be a fixture on the 3rd line and PK, then yes.

They'd trade Kimmo if he asked to be traded. There is a lot of respect there.
As for giving up on the season, I guess it depends on your priorities.
If your priority is to make the play-offs then you're right don't sell.
If your priority is to win the cup, then you sell.
Missing the play-offs last year hurt. Although I'm still miffed at the league for the lockout... No clue what Snider, Berube, or Holmgren are thinking right now...
Lots of trying to save jobs and cover butts...
- FlyersGrace

I don't think he wants to be traded. Last night, he talked about how a team that comes together is capable of winning anything.

In the NHL, if you have a chance of making the playoffs, you go for it. Anything can happen in the NHL playoffs. Remember the first year they made the playoffs with Richie and Carter? They beat the Canadiens 4-1 even though very few gave them a chance. Carey Price was terrible in net and Biron played really well.

The Flyers have a superstar, legit #1 Goalie and a veteran defenseman who knows its his last run.

This isn't the NBA, 6-8 seeds routinely make it to the finals.

If he's gonna be a fixture on the 3rd line and PK, then yes.
- jmatchett383

Ok, then I cant wait for that core of Matt Read and Adam Hall

I don't think he wants to be traded. Last night, he talked about how a team that comes together is capable of winning anything.

In the NHL, if you have a chance of making the playoffs, you go for it. Anything can happen in the NHL playoffs. Remember the first year they made the playoffs with Richie and Carter? They beat the Canadiens 4-1 even though very few gave them a chance. Carey Price was terrible in net and Biron played really well.

The Flyers have a superstar, legit #1 Goalie and a veteran defenseman who knows its his last run.
This isn't the NBA, 6-8 seeds routinely make it to the finals.
- PhillySportsGuy

So you're saying we should go to a 2v2 format in the play-offs?


I hear your point. I won't be upset if they stand pat. I just don't expect them to.

I don't think he wants to be traded. Last night, he talked about how a team that comes together is capable of winning anything.

In the NHL, if you have a chance of making the playoffs, you go for it. Anything can happen in the NHL playoffs. Remember the first year they made the playoffs with Richie and Carter? They beat the Canadiens 4-1 even though very few gave them a chance. Carey Price was terrible in net and Biron played really well.

The Flyers have a superstar, legit #1 Goalie and a veteran defenseman who knows its his last run.

This isn't the NBA, 6-8 seeds routinely make it to the finals.
- PhillySportsGuy

I hear you, but i just dont see it this year...especially if we get the Rags in the first round

Ok, then I cant wait for that core of Matt Read and Adam Hall
- nonpoint22

Absolutely. Same players.

Kris Draper was a member of Detroit's core for their Cups. But he was never a big-time scorer.

Ok, then I cant wait for that core of Matt Read and Adam Hall
- nonpoint22

Thats a pretty rational approach.

So you're saying we should go to a 2v2 format in the play-offs?


I hear your point. I won't be upset if they stand pat. I just don't expect them to.
- FlyersGrace

If Homer stays consistent he will make minor moves at the deadline and make his "big splash" around the draft

Anyone else notice how Hall always stretches right before he takes a face-off. I never have to see his number to know who is about to take it...

This isn't the NBA, 6-8 seeds routinely make it to the finals.
- PhillySportsGuy

It's happened, but it's not exactly routine.

Out of the 16 teams to qualify for the Finals since the 04 lockout, only 4 were 6-8's. LA was the only team to win... so 1/16 seems like pretty steep odds to me:

2012 NJ (6)
2012 LA (8)
2010 PHI (7)
2006 EDM (8)

Sounds like what they said before the last 2 years: "Ready to explode."
- jmatchett383

I was having this discussion with a friend of mine just yesterday actually. I think Craig Mac T knows what he is doing. I mean they need to get tough. They need to add some defensive forwards for thier high power scorers, and they need to build a strong defense. But who has been available for them to do this? Its tough to draw the Free Agents to Edmonton until the establish themselves a bit more. They need to take Gagner and Yakupov and turn them into what they need, but they need to do it in a way they are getting the right value for those players. For example if they could get Girardi, Callahan, and Krieder plus a 1st for Yakupov from NYR, then that would be a step in the right direction....

Absolutely. Same players.

Kris Draper was a member of Detroit's core for their Cups. But he was never a big-time scorer.
- jmatchett383

Yeah, but those Detroit teams didnt need Draper to be anything more...then had Yzerman and Fedorov and the rest of Team Russia to back him up...Matt Read needs to be more and he is not...again not saying he is a bad player just not a core guy imo

So you're saying we should go to a 2v2 format in the play-offs?


I hear your point. I won't be upset if they stand pat. I just don't expect them to.
- FlyersGrace

Im not opposed to moving players, but I don't see the point in trading Downie and Mez for mid-round picks. The team is better off just keeping them for the stretch run.

Its not like the Flyers have some great track record with mid-round picks. The only thing it will provide is some flexibility if the team wants to move up or down in the draft.

It's happened, but it's not exactly routine.

Out of the 16 teams to qualify for the Finals since the 04 lockout, only 4 were 6-8's. LA was the only team to win... so 1/16 seems like pretty steep odds to me:

2012 NJ (6)
2012 LA (8)
2010 PHI (7)
2006 EDM (8)
- Tomahawk

So your saying there's a chance

For example if they could get Girardi, Callahan, and Krieder plus a 1st for Yakupov from NYR, then that would be a step in the right direction....
- SchennBros

Might as well ask for Lundqvist while they're at it.

Im not opposed to moving players, but I don't see the point in trading Downie and Mez for mid-round picks. The team is better off just keeping them for the stretch run.

Its not like the Flyers have some great track record with mid-round picks. The only thing it will provide is some flexibility if the team wants to move up or down in the draft.
- PhillySportsGuy

Thats why you do it

Yeah, but those Detroit teams didnt need Draper to be anything more...then had Yzerman and Fedorov and the rest of Team Russia to back him up...Matt Read needs to be more and he is not...again not saying he is a bad player just not a core guy imo
- nonpoint22

He's a piece in-hand that you can build around, so by that measure he ought to be considered part of the core. You'd be hard-pressed to find a more productive/effective 3rd-line winger than him.

It's happened, but it's not exactly routine.

Out of the 16 teams to qualify for the Finals since the 04 lockout, only 4 were 6-8's. LA was the only team to win... so 1/16 seems like pretty steep odds to me:

2012 NJ (6)
2012 LA (8)
2010 PHI (7)
2006 EDM (8)
- Tomahawk

Routine was a poor selection of words. I mean its not uncommon.

This debate is more about Kimmo. Mez and Downie provide nice depth, but I don't see them making or breaking this team. They are more depth guys.

Timonen can make or break this team's playoff chances.

If Homer stays consistent he will make minor moves at the deadline and make his "big splash" around the draft
- nonpoint22

Homer could take a bike ride along the Delaware

What a mess.
- tangent_man

such a cheery blog lol

Im not opposed to moving players, but I don't see the point in trading Downie and Mez for mid-round picks. The team is better off just keeping them for the stretch run.

Its not like the Flyers have some great track record with mid-round picks. The only thing it will provide is some flexibility if the team wants to move up or down in the draft.
- PhillySportsGuy

Holmgren cuts his teeth on 2nd round picks, lmao... I think there would be a team who would trade that for Mez. He really has picked his career up off the ER floor...
And I agree antyhing we do get will likely be package around the draft - but it would allow us to do so...

Might as well ask for Lundqvist while they're at it.
- jmatchett383

I don't think either team would make that trade.

Yeah, but those Detroit teams didnt need Draper to be anything more...then had Yzerman and Fedorov and the rest of Team Russia to back him up...Matt Read needs to be more and he is not...again not saying he is a bad player just not a core guy imo
- nonpoint22

And this team has (theretically) Giroux, Schenn, Simmonds, Hartnell, and Voracek to carry the bulk of the scoring. All I'm saying is a guy doesn't have to be an 80-point player to be a core as long as he plays his role well. Look at Boston; their 3rd and 4th line players are all core players, and they're not exactly stacked with 30-goal scorers.

I was having this discussion with a friend of mine just yesterday actually. I think Craig Mac T knows what he is doing. I mean they need to get tough. They need to add some defensive forwards for thier high power scorers, and they need to build a strong defense. But who has been available for them to do this? Its tough to draw the Free Agents to Edmonton until the establish themselves a bit more. They need to take Gagner and Yakupov and turn them into what they need, but they need to do it in a way they are getting the right value for those players. For example if they could get Girardi, Callahan, and Krieder plus a 1st for Yakupov from NYR, then that would be a step in the right direction....
- SchennBros

Maybe they can get them to ship the Statue of Liberty out there as well...

Holmgren cuts his teeth on 2nd round picks, lmao... I think there would be a team who would trade that for Mez. He really has picked his career up off the ER floor...
And I agree antyhing we do get will likely be package around the draft - but it would allow us to do so...
- FlyersGrace

I just don't think Downie and Mez hold much value. Teams will look at them and say "A 3rd line forward who has been benched on occasion this season and is having his worst statistical year. A depth defenseman coming off major injuries who has been benched several different times this season by a team that does not have a strong defense. Oh, and they're both ufas after the season"