What do you guys think about this trade?

LA
RW - Valentin Zykov
2014 - 3rd round pick (Edmonton's pick)
2015 - 2nd round pick (Toronto's pick) (Conditional if Cammalleri signs back in LA in the offseason)

FOR

CAL
LW - M. Cammalleri
- buddy_doug

Sounds pretty good to me. I like Zykov

What do you guys think about this trade?

LA
RW - Valentin Zykov
2014 - 3rd round pick (Edmonton's pick)
2015 - 2nd round pick (Toronto's pick) (Conditional if Cammalleri signs back in LA in the offseason)

FOR

CAL
LW - M. Cammalleri
- buddy_doug

From a players involved standpoint that's not too bad. I'm not sure on the draft picks part of it but that is all tweaking. As always when I see a Russian born player a bit of the KHL concern comes into my mind. But he has been playing junior in North America.

Definitely a good possible option.

From a players involved standpoint that's not too bad. I'm not sure on the draft picks part of it but that is all tweaking. As always when I see a Russian born player a bit of the KHL concern comes into my mind. But he has been playing junior in North America.

Definitely a good possible option.
- dal_johnson

I think we may have to move the 2nd and 3rds. I like Zykov but he isn't an 'A' prospect. Also he was picked in the 2nd round (37th overall I believe). That would be like 2 2nd rounders for Cammi. That would be closer. Also, Zykov I shaving a down year. Not really what you want to see in a draft +1 year.

Whatever makes you feel better!

And fck off! Seriously! You're an idiot!
- whipper334

I think we may have to move the 2nd and 3rds. I like Zykov but he isn't an 'A' prospect. Also he was picked in the 2nd round (37th overall I believe). That would be like 2 2nd rounders for Cammi. That would be closer. Also, Zykov I shaving a down year. Not really what you want to see in a draft +1 year.
- TandA4Flames

Yeah he's the right mold of a player being a bigger right winger, but the draft picks may need to be bettered. Keep in mind LA's 2nd rounder may not be a whole lot better than Edmonton's 3rd.

He seems to be down on the goal scoring side, but he has bettered his playmaking. He's on just as good (or better) point totals. Seems he has been a player of the week twice this month in the Q as well. Maybe he is getting back on track.

I think that there are other possible prospects out there that I would go after ahead of him, but I wouldn't be disappointed if this was the main part of a deal.

What interest do people see teams having in Wideman?

I know his contract has never been attractive, but the Flames can always retain salary on that so I don't really consider that to be an issue as he could be as low as 2.625 million per season (which is more of a steal for him). He is very good at the offensive side of the game, just his full price tag is a bit much.

With Wideman I instantly relate him to the powerplay as the main area that he can greatly improve a team, although he has been better defensively this season as well.

I start to look at the current playoff or seriously playoff contending teams that have lower powerplays. Teams like Anaheim, Tampa, Detroit, and Dallas all have a powerplay rank in the bottom half of the league. Wideman would definitely help those aspects out. And a few more powerplay goals can be huge come playoff time.

I keep thinking to Anaheim and Emerson Etem. He can't seem to find a consistent place to play there, but I watched him play a lot in junior and have a lot of confidence in what he can do. He is a goal scoring power forward that plays the right side. Something that the Flames definitely need. Anaheim would get that definitey boost to their powerplay, and a top 4 defenceman. And he is a right hand shot that would mesh with Fowler quite nicely.

As the basis of a trade (not a straight up deal) would Wideman (with some salary retained) for Etem be a good move for both teams. Naturally there will need to be some tweaking, probably from both sides.

I think we may have to move the 2nd and 3rds. I like Zykov but he isn't an 'A' prospect. Also he was picked in the 2nd round (37th overall I believe). That would be like 2 2nd rounders for Cammi. That would be closer. Also, Zykov I shaving a down year. Not really what you want to see in a draft +1 year.
- TandA4Flames

LA doesn't currently have a 2nd rounder this year so thats why I used the EDM pick as it will be a high pick in the 3rd round so as close to a 2nd as LA has right now. Looking at team's prospect reports there really are not that many teams with a lot of high potential RW's.

I floated this deal out their as it seems like LA is a real media favorite to land Cammalleri but they don't have a lot of great options. There is no way they will be able to wrangle Toffoli out of there, they would need Calgary to eat half of Cammalleri's salary as they are up against the top of the cap and they do not have a great prospect pool to draw from.

My opinion is they have a 2014 1st round pick and Zykov as pieces that make sence for Cammalleri.

2015 1st rounder and Zykov would be a fantastic deal in my opinion but not likely!

What interest do people see teams having in Wideman?

I know his contract has never been attractive, but the Flames can always retain salary on that so I don't really consider that to be an issue as he could be as low as 2.625 million per season (which is more of a steal for him). He is very good at the offensive side of the game, just his full price tag is a bit much.

With Wideman I instantly relate him to the powerplay as the main area that he can greatly improve a team, although he has been better defensively this season as well.

I start to look at the current playoff or seriously playoff contending teams that have lower powerplays. Teams like Anaheim, Tampa, Detroit, and Dallas all have a powerplay rank in the bottom half of the league. Wideman would definitely help those aspects out. And a few more powerplay goals can be huge come playoff time.

I keep thinking to Anaheim and Emerson Etem. He can't seem to find a consistent place to play there, but I watched him play a lot in junior and have a lot of confidence in what he can do. He is a goal scoring power forward that plays the right side. Something that the Flames definitely need. Anaheim would get that definitey boost to their powerplay, and a top 4 defenceman. And he is a right hand shot that would mesh with Fowler quite nicely.

As the basis of a trade (not a straight up deal) would Wideman (with some salary retained) for Etem be a good move for both teams. Naturally there will need to be some tweaking, probably from both sides.
- dal_johnson

Good thoughts except that what Anaheim is said to be looking for is to toughen up their blue line. Which is why they are pushing for Girardi. I don't think I see them moving Etem. Especially as Selanne is likely in his last season.

LA doesn't currently have a 2nd rounder this year so thats why I used the EDM pick as it will be a high pick in the 3rd round so as close to a 2nd as LA has right now. Looking at team's prospect reports there really are not that many teams with a lot of high potential RW's.

I floated this deal out their as it seems like LA is a real media favorite to land Cammalleri but they don't have a lot of great options. There is no way they will be able to wrangle Toffoli out of there, they would need Calgary to eat half of Cammalleri's salary as they are up against the top of the cap and they do not have a great prospect pool to draw from.

My opinion is they have a 2014 1st round pick and Zykov as pieces that make sence for Cammalleri.

2015 1st rounder and Zykov would be a fantastic deal in my opinion but not likely!
- buddy_doug

I'd take the 14' 1st and Zykov. Agreed that it's fat chance on the 15' 1st.

I'd take the 14' 1st and Zykov. Agreed that it's fat chance on the 15' 1st.
- IggyOnly

I think they would really need to think if that is putting them in cup contention because they are pretty thin on quality prospects. Toffoli and Zykov are about it. I'm not sure I see them moving either of them but you never know.

Good thoughts except that what Anaheim is said to be looking for is to toughen up their blue line. Which is why they are pushing for Girardi. I don't think I see them moving Etem. Especially as Selanne is likely in his last season.
- Iggysbff

I fully agree but I think they have cap room for both this year. With Selanne, Penner, Saku Koivu, Jackman and Winnik all being UFA's and the Cap probably going up next year I think there is room to sign their RFA's, Cammalleri, and Girardi.

Etem,
2014 2nd round pick
2015 2nd round pick conditional if Cammalleri signs an extension if not it reverts back to a 2015 3rd round pick.

for

Cammalleri
2014 4th round pick

I fully agree but I think they have cap room for both this year. With Selanne, Penner, Saku Koivu, Jackman and Winnik all being UFA's and the Cap probably going up next year I think there is room to sign their RFA's, Cammalleri, and Girardi.

Etem,
2014 2nd round pick
2015 2nd round pick conditional if Cammalleri signs an extension if not it reverts back to a 2015 3rd round pick.

for

Cammalleri
2014 4th round pick
- buddy_doug

Here's the dream world but maybe tweakable:

Etem
2014 First Round Pick (Ottawa's from the Bobby Ryan Trade)

for

Cammalleri (half salary retained, but perfect to play with Getzlaf and Perry)
Butler (a depth toughening defenceman)
Granlund (as a future Koivu Replacement)
2014 3rd round pick.

Adapt and revise. maybe consider taking a "bad" contract back. Maybe the Souray one which will be on the books for next season (I also find it entertaining the thought of Souray as a Flame).


I would assume that the Flames would need to add more

LA doesn't currently have a 2nd rounder this year so thats why I used the EDM pick as it will be a high pick in the 3rd round so as close to a 2nd as LA has right now. Looking at team's prospect reports there really are not that many teams with a lot of high potential RW's.

I floated this deal out their as it seems like LA is a real media favorite to land Cammalleri but they don't have a lot of great options. There is no way they will be able to wrangle Toffoli out of there, they would need Calgary to eat half of Cammalleri's salary as they are up against the top of the cap and they do not have a great prospect pool to draw from.

My opinion is they have a 2014 1st round pick and Zykov as pieces that make sence for Cammalleri.

2015 1st rounder and Zykov would be a fantastic deal in my opinion but not likely!
- buddy_doug

What if it was Cammi and and our 2nd for L.A. 1st EDM 3rd and Zykov?

What if it was Cammi and and our 2nd for L.A. 1st EDM 3rd and Zykov?
- TandA4Flames

Then flip Wideman for a 2nd and maybe a bad contract.

I like it.

Here's the dream world but maybe tweakable:

Etem
2014 First Round Pick (Ottawa's from the Bobby Ryan Trade)

for

Cammalleri (half salary retained, but perfect to play with Getzlaf and Perry)
Butler (a depth toughening defenceman)
Granlund (as a future Koivu Replacement)
2014 3rd round pick.

Adapt and revise. maybe consider taking a "bad" contract back. Maybe the Souray one which will be on the books for next season (I also find it entertaining the thought of Souray as a Flame).
Maybe I'm being a homer but I certainly wouldn't be adding, I would subtract the 3rd or Granlund. Like you said, Etem has had a tough time fitting in. The OTT 1st is nice but we're giving up a top 6th talent a legit NHL d and a very good prospect. Seems like a lot to me.

I would assume that the Flames would need to add more
- dal_johnson

Then flip Wideman for a 2nd and maybe a bad contract.

I like it.
- Ol_Boy_Wop

If Wideman can't fetch more than a 2nd then you keep him.

If Wideman can't fetch more than a 2nd then you keep him.
- whipper334

Especially if they would have to take on a bad contract as well so that they can get that second.

Wideman's contract may be bad, but it isn't bad to the Flames. He can still play, and they do need to make the cap floor.

[quote=TandA4Flames]
Not sure why it didnt come up but I was trying to say that I wojld remove Granlund or at least the 3rd. That's too much to give up for a player that, like you said, hasn't fit in yet in ANA. The 1st is nice but still. Maybe I'm being a homer, but that seems like a lot to me.

Maybe I'm being a homer but I certainly wouldn't be adding, I would subtract the 3rd or Granlund. Like you said, Etem has had a tough time fitting in. The OTT 1st is nice but we're giving up a top 6th talent a legit NHL d and a very good prospect. Seems like a lot to me.

- TandA4Flames

That's where the tweaking comes in.

I just thought that since it could end up that both Cammi and Butler would be rentals (if neither re-signs). Also keep in mind that as it sits now, Ottawa's first rounder would be 10th overall.

I've also said on here that I think Granlund is expendible to the Flames (still want to get a good return on him) and is currently being showcased this week so that he can be added to a trade in order to better the return.

But maybe like you said either the draft pick or Granlund. Or make the draft pick conditional on if Cammi resigns, or if Anaheim goes so far in the playoffs.

That's where the tweaking comes in.

I just thought that since it could end up that both Cammi and Butler would be rentals (if neither re-signs). Also keep in mind that as it sits now, Ottawa's first rounder would be 10th overall.

I've also said on here that I think Granlund is expendible to the Flames (still want to get a good return on him) and is currently being showcased this week so that he can be added to a trade in order to better the return.

But maybe like you said either the draft pick or Granlund. Or make the draft pick conditional on if Cammi resigns, or if Anaheim goes so far in the playoffs.
- dal_johnson

Not sure how Granlund can be considered expendable. I understand as it stands he is behind Mony, Backlund, Stajan on the depth chart, but this is not a player we should be in a rush to get rid of. Look at Detroit. Numerous guys sat behind the studs developing and then were able to fill holes when the time came.

HOLD ON TO PROSPECTS!

That's where the tweaking comes in.

I just thought that since it could end up that both Cammi and Butler would be rentals (if neither re-signs). Also keep in mind that as it sits now, Ottawa's first rounder would be 10th overall.

I've also said on here that I think Granlund is expendible to the Flames (still want to get a good return on him) and is currently being showcased this week so that he can be added to a trade in order to better the return.

But maybe like you said either the draft pick or Granlund. Or make the draft pick conditional on if Cammi resigns, or if Anaheim goes so far in the playoffs.
- dal_johnson

I think adding Granlund is a tad to much for this trade in my eyes. I'd rather see him packaged to get Coyle.

What if we offered that package to get Despres and Bennet from Pitsburgh. One of our weaknesses is that we don't have very many solid 22-24 year old players that will be the veterans when our draft picks begin to enter the league.

Not sure how Granlund can be considered expendable. I understand as it stands he is behind Mony, Backlund, Stajan on the depth chart, but this is not a player we should be in a rush to get rid of. Look at Detroit. Numerous guys sat behind the studs developing and then were able to fill holes when the time came.

HOLD ON TO PROSPECTS!
- IggyOnly

Agreed. Stajan's a stop-gap... not part of the long-term plan. I wouldn't carve his name into that 3C spot in stone.

I think adding Granlund is a tad to much for this trade in my eyes. I'd rather see him packaged to get Coyle.

What if we offered that package to get Despres and Bennet from Pitsburgh. One of our weaknesses is that we don't have very many solid 22-24 year old players that will be the veterans when our draft picks begin to enter the league.
- Saskabush

I agree on Granlund. After listening to the guys in Abbotsford talk about him no way I trade him. Unless of course the return is sick.

Not sure how Granlund can be considered expendable. I understand as it stands he is behind Mony, Backlund, Stajan on the depth chart, but this is not a player we should be in a rush to get rid of. Look at Detroit. Numerous guys sat behind the studs developing and then were able to fill holes when the time came.

HOLD ON TO PROSPECTS!
- IggyOnly

I dont think anyone is considering him expendable. Its trying to use an area of strength to fill an area of weakness. We have Monahan and Backlund who are both young players that can fill #1  C position. Granlund, IMO, should be a #2 C considering his skill set. I think 3rd line C is not ideal for Granlund and we have Colborne, Reinhart and Knight who likely are better for that position. Not to mention we have Arnold coming in as well. I dont want to lose Granlund, but if it helps quicken the rebuild and ultimately makes us better and more balanced, you have to do it.

However, I agree with Saskabush that I would rather use him for a package to try and acquire Coyle.

I agree on Granlund. After listening to the guys in Abbotsford talk about him no way I trade him. Unless of course the return is sick.
- whipper334

The idea of a Granlund for Coyle type of trade would intrigue me... but that's about it.