Just so I got this right. Hextall has already been told that he will take over as GM, and when it will happen? Is Holmgren aware of this? Because the only way I can see that being the case, is if Holmgren only wants to do it for a period of time, and then he wants to move on, retire, or whatever. Because in my view, if Holmgren wants to keep the job going forward, and he knew this, I think he would just resign the position, and step aside.
- MJL

Just my opinion, but I think Homer will retire or step aside....have no guess when it will happen, just kinda feel that is the case otherwise Hextall would of probably stayed in LA

Gagne didnt demand to be traded. He wanted to stay right where he was. Not even remotely the same situation.

St Douchlouis is demanding to be traded, then saying he has the right to be only traded to one place. (if the rumors are true) I'm sorry but if you have a no trade clause, then ask to be traded, you should not feel like you have the right to be traded wherever you want. If that was the case every player who was unhappy some where and wanted to play in a specific location would do it.
- MBFlyerfan

That's true.

Ed Snider isn't going to be making the decision.
- MJL

ultimately he always has a say, and if you dont think so then I dont know what to tell you....Flyers are his baby

Gagne didnt demand to be traded. He wanted to stay right where he was. Not even remotely the same situation.

St Douchlouis is demanding to be traded, then saying he has the right to be only traded to one place. (if the rumors are true) I'm sorry but if you have a no trade clause, then ask to be traded, you should not feel like you have the right to be traded wherever you want. If that was the case every player who was unhappy some where and wanted to play in a specific location would do it.
- MBFlyerfan

I'd like to see something along that line put into the CBA. If you have a NTC or NMC and you formally request a trade. It should have to be submitted to the team, and the NHL, and the NHLPA, in writing. And it should void any movement clause in the players contract.

Valid points, but here's my logic...if you trade for Daley or MacDonald, bare minimum it's a 2nd rounder and a decent prospect, or maybe even a first-rumor has it that's what the Isles want for MacDonald.

If I'm trading that, might as well make it a bigger deal and get a guy who will really be an upgrade.
- Jsaquella

I agree on not overpaying. But a first rounder isnt going to get anyone significant now, and they shouldn't be thinking about trading B.Schenn or Couturier for a Yandle or Big Buff.

If those are the choices then yes... stand pat, but I think "hockey trades" can still be made.

ultimately he always has a say, and if you dont think so then I dont know what to tell you....Flyers are his baby
- nonpoint22

He certainly has to okay any financial moves and contracts taken on. But I do not believe that he is involved in, or has input into what players to acquire, trade, or trade for. I think that is left up to the GM and his staff.

Just my opinion, but I think Homer will retire or step aside....have no guess when it will happen, just kinda feel that is the case otherwise Hextall would of probably stayed in LA
- nonpoint22

That's quite different then stating that Hextall has already been told when he will take over.

well id tell MSL to sit out then. and like it.
- stayinthefnnet

I know. If I were the GM, I would not trade him and make him sit the season or play it out.

I'd like to see something along that line put into the CBA. If you have a NTC or NMC and you formally request a trade. It should have to be submitted to the team, and the NHL, and the NHLPA, in writing. And it should void any movement clause in the players contract.
- MJL

That is a great idea....

I'd like to see something along that line put into the CBA. If you have a NTC or NMC and you formally request a trade. It should have to be submitted to the team, and the NHL, and the NHLPA, in writing. And it should void any movement clause in the players contract.
- MJL

Or you should at least have to list 12-15 teams, settle on a specific number that goes for all players. 1 team is outrageous.

He certainly has to okay any financial moves and contracts taken on. But I do not believe that he is involved in, or has input into what players to acquire, trade, or trade for. I think that is left up to the GM and his staff.
- MJL

I think Ed fingerprints were all over Bryz and Weber offer, just to name a few...I think Ed tells them who or what to target and its the GM job to get it done

well id tell MSL to sit out then. and like it.
- stayinthefnnet

Heading into the playoffs you're going to sit one of your best players out of spite? They'll push for something better, but they're going to end up with a broken down Callahan and not much else.

That's quite different then stating that Hextall has already been told when he will take over.
- MJL

Again, Hextall wants to be a GM....obviously something was said to him that made him decide his chances were better here then in LA...or he would of stayed with the franchise that he knew front to back from a business/gm perspective

Heading into the playoffs you're going to sit one of your best players out of spite? They'll push for something better, but they're going to end up with a broken down Callahan and not much else.
- hereticpride

yeah. i would. eventually he has to cave. he has a whole nother year left next year. im not going to give him to the rags for nothing.

Or you should at least have to list 12-15 teams, settle on a specific number that goes for all players. 1 team is outrageous.
- MBFlyerfan

The Flames must have been pretty pissed when Iginla did it to them. It was a different circumstance so they just swallowed the pill and put a smile on their faces.

Its unfair to request a trade then tell a team you only want to go to one team. I just wouldn't trade the player if he turned down the destination. Id rather let the player walk. It sets a bad precedent.

Heading into the playoffs you're going to sit one of your best players out of spite? They'll push for something better, but they're going to end up with a broken down Callahan and not much else.
- hereticpride

I hope not.....maybe this will be the last time a NHL GM is in charge of picking an olympic team cause this is ridiculous

I think Ed fingerprints were all over Bryz and Weber offer, just to name a few...I think Ed tells them who or what to target and its the GM job to get it done
- nonpoint22

I think that Ed Snider gave the GM a mandate to fix the goaltending issue. I don't think that Ed Snider said go out and sign Bryzgalov. Holmgren and his staff made that choice in my opinion. Snider approved the contract.
As far as Weber is concerned. Cart before the horse. Holmgren and his staff targeted Weber and attempted to trade for him. Then when that didn't work out, they then got the approval to make the offer sheet.
But I don't believe that Snider directed the GM to target Bryzgalov and Weber specifically. I don't think that happens, or that Snider get's involved that way. And I don't think that Paul Holmgren would work as a GM under those conditions.

The Flames must have been pretty pissed when Iginla did it to them. It was a different circumstance so they just swallowed the pill and put a smile on their faces.

Its unfair to request a trade then tell a team you only want to go to one team. I just wouldn't trade the player if he turned down the destination. Id rather let the player walk. It sets a bad precedent.
- PhillySportsGuy

yeah. i would. eventually he has to cave. he has a whole nother year left next year. im not going to give him to the rags for nothing.
- stayinthefnnet

I agree. He'd be giving up a lot of money by sitting out for 1.5 years. He doesn't have many great years left.

I think that Ed Snider gave the GM a mandate to fix the goaltending issue. I don't think that Ed Snider said go out and sign Bryzgalov. Holmgren and his staff made that choice in my opinion. Snider approved the contract.
As far as Weber is concerned. Cart before the horse. Holmgren and his staff targeted Weber and attempted to trade for him. Then when that didn't work out, they then got the approval to make the offer sheet.
But I don't believe that Snider directed the GM to target Bryzgalov and Weber specifically. I don't think that happens, or that Snider get's involved that way. And I don't think that Paul Holmgren would work as a GM under those conditions.
- MJL

We will have to agree to disagree...I think has more of a say then you think, and has for a very long time

Again, Hextall wants to be a GM....obviously something was said to him that made him decide his chances were better here then in LA...or he would of stayed with the franchise that he knew front to back from a business/gm perspective
- nonpoint22

Or he wanted to get back to the Organization that was home for how long, and they offered him a good deal financially. Could be many reasons. But I don't believe that Hextall was guaranteed anything other then his current position, nor was he already told when he was going to be named GM.

All Yzerman can realistically do is this. He can ask MSLs agent for at least 5 or 6 teams besides the Rangers that he will accept a trade to. Or barring that, and if the Rangers won't make an acceptable offer, he can remain with Tampa.

Other than that his options are either retirement or refusing to play in which case he doesn't get paid. Yzerman needs to play hardball here, MSL is being childish and selfish; he's a highly paid professional, time to act like one.

The Flames must have been pretty pissed when Iginla did it to them. It was a different circumstance so they just swallowed the pill and put a smile on their faces.

Its unfair to request a trade then tell a team you only want to go to one team. I just wouldn't trade the player if he turned down the destination. Id rather let the player walk. It sets a bad precedent.
- PhillySportsGuy

But again, I don't think Iginla requested to be traded. What he pulled after was pure douchebaggery that affected three franchises, but he had a right to demand his destination in that it was the Flames who wanted to deal him.

All Yzerman can realistically do is this. He can ask MSLs agent for at least 5 or 6 teams besides the Rangers that he will accept a trade to. Or barring that, and if the Rangers won't make an acceptable offer, he can remain with Tampa.

Other than that his options are either retirement or refusing to play in which case he doesn't get paid. Yzerman needs to play hardball here, MSL is being childish and selfish; he's a highly paid professional, time to act like one.
- BiggE

Or he wanted to get back to the Organization that was home for how long, and they offered him a good deal financially. Could be many reasons. But I don't believe that Hextall was guaranteed anything other then his current position, nor was he already told when he was going to be named GM.
- MJL

Also I believe Holmgren is older than Lombardi and for that reason alone there is a better chance of the GM job opening up here before LA.
A Stanley Cup winning relatively young GM isn't going anywhere any time soon, so why not come back to the organization you grew up with.