Ice time fine....but anyone who has to watch as many TO games that I do remember it well....he struggled with consistency in year two and lost confidence....they tried to force him into the mold of Adam Foote after a very good year as a 18-19 year old and he became a whipping boy for fans and media....he just didn't play as well....in his third year he really regressed as coach Wilson called him out in the press....he never seemed to improve. He constantly made the same mistakes, much like what we've seen in Philly.....anybody that saw Schenn play will tell you he was at his best in his rookie year....you think Richards had issues with the media....well they were similar with Schenn and the TO media......was it fair...no...but that is hockey in TO.....
I have watched both an awful lot in the last year and a bit......this trade is a fleecing....spin it how you want.....I know what I see......one player is blossoming.....one is not.
- landros 2

Schenn did not regress in his 3rd Season. A player that regressed does not see his icetime shoot up to over 22 minutes a game, from around 16 the Season before.

Right now, JVR is having the better Season, and the trade is slanted towards Toronto. But that can change going forward.

Moving Timonen is certainly the dispassionate, rational thing to do.

Whether Homer can pull off that move is another story.
- johndewar

If the corpse of Pavel Kubina fetched a second round pick, why couldn't Timonen net the Flyers a first rounder?

Edit: Nevermind. I know why.

Moving Timonen is certainly the dispassionate, rational thing to do.

Whether Homer can pull off that move is another story.
- johndewar

Oh, he can do it....is he willing to? That's the question. I do want to see them make the playoffs, just for experience's sake

Im an advocate of selecting at least one goalie in every draft. I believe goaltending prospect depth is much better than having 1 guy with great potential.

The future is always so unpredictable with goalies. Its nice knowing you have young guys coming through the system more often. This franchise has done a poor job developing both defenseman and goaltenders.
- PhillySportsGuy

I dunno... goal is the one area where I don't feel it's important to draft your own guy... there are just as many starters today that are on their 2nd/3rd team as there are guys who were born and bred.

The hit-rate for getting a long-term starter is astronomically low, no matter where you take them in the draft... risk/reward I'd almost always rather take a skater over a goalie.

He'd be a perfect line mate for Laughton.
- ob18

On paper, yes it would seem. So you're seeing a Center moved, and Laughton centering the 3rd line?

I'd be interested in shopping every UFA, personally. Odds are none of them will return, might as well try to get an asset.

The one that's dicey is Timonen. Moving him suggests waving a white flag, but that's not necessarily the case. There's other rentals that could cost less than what the return for Timonen would be. Obviously, it would involve taking a lesser player as a replacement.

But for a big enough return, I'd be willing to move Timonen
- Jsaquella

Would he want to go ? Young family....has the standard Holmgren no movement in his contract.....

Moving Timonen is certainly the dispassionate, rational thing to do.

Whether Homer can pull off that move is another story.
- johndewar

For the future, trading Timonen makes all the sense in the World. But we all know it's not going to happen.

If the corpse of Pavel Kubina fetched a second round pick, why couldn't Timonen net the Flyers a first rounder?

Edit: Nevermind. I know why.
- PLindbergh31

Hey, a 2nd and a 4th. Never forget.

Schenn did not regress in his 3rd Season. A player that regressed does not see his icetime shoot up to over 22 minutes a game, from around 16 the Season before.

Right now, JVR is having the better Season, and the trade is slanted towards Toronto. But that can change going forward.
- MJL

You obviously never watched Schenn in TO...that explains a lot.

On paper, yes it would seem. So you're seeing a Center moved, and Laughton centering the 3rd line?
- MJL

It could be in the cards, who knows what Homer is thinking......

You obviously never watched Schenn in TO...that explains a lot.
- landros 2

What were you guys even arguing over to start with?

My issue with it now is that Schenn is showing the same good year-bad year pattern, while JvR is playing more consistently. The early returns, as far as value, are worrisome.
- Jsaquella

That inconsistency from year to year is concerning.

For the future, trading Timonen makes all the sense in the World. But we all know it's not going to happen.
- MJL

If it did happen the fairweather fans would be calling for Homer's head.

Or for Clarke's head like they did when Talbot got traded.

- johndewar

Would he want to go ? Young family....has the standard Holmgren no movement in his contract.....
- landros 2

Anaheim to make one last run w/ Teemu and Saku? Chicago and Detroit, since everybody waives to go to those places? LA, because Flyers West?

You obviously never watched Schenn in TO...that explains a lot.
- landros 2

How about watching JVR when he was in Philly? Did the fans ever complain about him? Did the Coach ever state that he needs pick up his game? Any of that happen in Philly when JVR was here? Any inconsistency in JVR's play at all while he was in Philly? How about what was said before he even played one game as a Flyer?

For the future, trading Timonen makes all the sense in the World. But we all know it's not going to happen.
- MJL

I agree with you for all of the reasons some GM is gonna give Ryan Callahan a gajillion dollars this offseason (or sooner).

Would he want to go ? Young family....has the standard Holmgren no movement in his contract.....
- landros 2

Could well be his last kick at the can, he'd be away from family for a couple months or so, at most.

And honestly, the NMC thing is overplayed. The Flyers have 8 guys with some sort of clause. Boston has 12. Vancouver has 10. Detroit has 9, including one for its backup goalie. Chicago has 9

- PhillySportsGuy

I love using that term at work and I completely cribbed it from Shawshank.

I have no shame.

Anaheim to make one last run w/ Teemu and Saku? Chicago and Detroit, since everybody waives to go to those places? LA, because Flyers West?
- Tomahawk

I don't think he'd wave his NTC.

I don't see why the Flyers would trade their best defenseman if they are in position to make the playoffs. You just don't do things like that regardless of how unlikely the team is to reach a Cup.

I love using that term at work and I completely cribbed it from Shawshank.

I have no shame.
- johndewar

Its exactly what I thought of when I read it. Such a great movie.

Anaheim to make one last run w/ Teemu and Saku? Chicago and Detroit, since everybody waives to go to those places? LA, because Flyers West?
- Tomahawk

Detroit crippled by injuries would seem unlikely.

Since Anaheim and Chicago will be drafting at the end of the first round perhaps it would entice them.

Not sure if next Wednesday is going to be exciting or not. Might be a whole lot of nothing.

What were you guys even arguing over to start with?
- PhillySportsGuy

Great taste!
Less filling!

Anaheim to make one last run w/ Teemu and Saku? Chicago and Detroit, since everybody waives to go to those places? LA, because Flyers West?
- Tomahawk

Anaheim makes a ton of sense, Chicago even more-except they'd have to clear a ton of cash to fit him in under cap. Detroit faces similar cap issues and they are struggling

Boston might have a spot, with Seidenberg out, only need to clear a bit of room.

Could well be his last kick at the can, he'd be away from family for a couple months or so, at most.

And honestly, the NMC thing is overplayed. The Flyers have 8 guys with some sort of clause. Boston has 12. Vancouver has 10. Detroit has 9, including one for its backup goalie. Chicago has 9
- Jsaquella

Even if Kimmo didn't have one, the team isn't going to send him somewhere without his consent. He's done a lot for this franchise and has earned the right to decide what he wants to do in his final season.