Yep. Even simple things like elminating the "Chicken Dance' just so children wouldn't have to hear "Rangers Suck". Sparky the Dragon. The lack of reaching out to alumini etc. It all represents a disconnect from the typical diehard fans.
I don't blame Charles for the things that have happened outside of NVMC. It's the stuff inside that bothers me about him.
- keaner17

I love it. The "Chicken Dance' has to go but going 0-November is ok?

Love the shout out to Dee
- Cptmjl

I don't know what you're talking about.

He doesn't and Snow is one of the only guys in the league willing to be the puppet to the vantriliquest. I give credit to Snow for the drafting. Wang, quite obviously, made the Tavares injury statement regarding the IOC and Snow is the stooge who gets quoted for it.

Money, money, money...that is Wang's ultimate bottom line. It's always been and it always will be.
- potvin05

I think every GM is a puppet to the owner to a degree. Afterall, they do work for them. I think Charles COULD have had other choices but seems to be the type of guy who gets attached to certain individuals (DP, Yashin etc). I remember hearing from someone who worked with Charles and claimed he was all about nepotistic reward be it through friends or family. I think that explains a lot with his desire to force lenghty contracts or promote an unready GM.


As a side note, my biggest issue with the JT statement is it seems rather insensitive to JT, griping about season ticket holders getting jipped.

I don't know what you're talking about.
- UIF

I was wondering what happened to Grabs!

I think every GM is a puppet to the owner to a degree. Afterall, they do work for them. I think Charles COULD have had other choices but seems to be the type of guy who gets attached to certain individuals (DP, Yashin etc). I remember hearing from someone who worked with Charles and claimed he was all about nepotistic reward be it through friends or family. I think that explains a lot with his desire to force lenghty contracts or promote an unready GM.


As a side note, my biggest issue with the JT statement is it seems rather insensitive to JT, griping about season ticket holders getting jipped.
- keaner17

Which is exactly why he shouldn't own a professional sports team. Unless Snow does something incredibly embarrassing off the ice or (frank)s Wang over somehow, he has a job for life and we all know it.

I'm still dumbfounded that the organization could make a statement about reimbursing money. I mean, it really makes me shake my head. Considering the owner nickels-and-dimes the fans all the God damn time, what a (frank)ing hypocrite...

It's, just, I'm reaching my rope's end here. I know I'm not the only one. I'm a fan since I'm a little kid, so I'm not going anywhere, but almost 40 years old now, I'm getting sick of the fact a complete buffoon runs this organization I actually still love. It's like battered spouse syndrome, you fall in love with someone/something because of something deep and felt (the Cups, the fact it's the only "local" team there is, players and owners who care about their fans) and then it becomes a repetitive cycle of lies, emotional abuse and punches to the gut.

It sucks.

Which is exactly why he shouldn't own a professional sports team. Unless Snow does something incredibly embarrassing off the ice or (frank)s Wang over somehow, he has a job for life and we all know it.

I'm still dumbfounded that the organization could make a statement about reimbursing money. I mean, it really makes me shake my head. Considering the owner nickels-and-dimes the fans all the God damn time, what a (frank)ing hypocrite...
- potvin05

I think Wang has been learning on the job, as has Garth, as has Cappy. Not a good recipe for a franchise trying to build from the ground up. Of the three I give Garth the best chance to actually become the better for it. In the case of Charles, maybe he becomes a better owner once Brooklyn hits though there are no guarantees. As for Cappy...ugh. He's so terrible, even if he gets better, he'd still be awful.

I agree about the comment. Most avid Isles fans were not only shaking their heads at it but likely angry.

It's, just, I'm reaching my rope's end here. I know I'm not the only one. I'm a fan since I'm a little kid, so I'm not going anywhere, but almost 40 years old now, I'm getting sick of the fact a complete buffoon runs this organization I actually still love. It's like battered spouse syndrome, you fall in love with someone/something because of something deep and felt (the Cups, the fact it's the only "local" team there is, players and owners who care about their fans) and then it becomes a repetitive cycle of lies, emotional abuse and punches to the gut.

It sucks.
- potvin05

I think Wang has been learning on the job, as has Garth, as has Cappy. Not a good recipe for a franchise trying to build from the ground up. Of the three I give Garth the best chance to actually become the better for it. In the case of Charles, maybe he becomes a better owner once Brooklyn hits though there are no guarantees. As for Cappy...ugh. He's so terrible, even if he gets better, he'd still be awful.

I agree about the comment. Most avid Isles fans were not only shaking their heads at it but likely angry.
- keaner17

Problem is they should not be learning. They already should be knowing what they are doing before they do the job. With any job they would like you to have a clue.

It's, just, I'm reaching my rope's end here. I know I'm not the only one. I'm a fan since I'm a little kid, so I'm not going anywhere, but almost 40 years old now, I'm getting sick of the fact a complete buffoon runs this organization I actually still love. It's like battered spouse syndrome, you fall in love with someone/something because of something deep and felt (the Cups, the fact it's the only "local" team there is, players and owners who care about their fans) and then it becomes a repetitive cycle of lies, emotional abuse and punches to the gut.

It sucks.
- potvin05

^^^^^

THIS!

I think Wang has been learning on the job, as has Garth, as has Cappy. Not a good recipe for a franchise trying to build from the ground up. Of the three I give Garth the best chance to actually become the better for it. In the case of Charles, maybe he becomes a better owner once Brooklyn hits though there are no guarantees. As for Cappy...ugh. He's so terrible, even if he gets better, he'd still be awful.

I agree about the comment. Most avid Isles fans were not only shaking their heads at it but likely angry.
- keaner17

I see no evidence he has learned anything.

I see no evidence he has learned anything.
- JimmyP

Just another excuse for this organization. I just don't get it how people can defend this clown

He should sell the team once we get to Brooklyn. We don't need Wang anymore. We got a major contract. I thin the fans need to protest and not even bother showing up fro the rest of the year, and if nothing gets done next year either. Until something like that happens they will continue feeding us crap every year
- kasperrko

We don't need him, but he needs to try to recoup some of his $200M in losses since 2000. He's not going anywhere unless someone buys the team from him for an exorbitant fee.

It's, just, I'm reaching my rope's end here. I know I'm not the only one. I'm a fan since I'm a little kid, so I'm not going anywhere, but almost 40 years old now, I'm getting sick of the fact a complete buffoon runs this organization I actually still love. It's like battered spouse syndrome, you fall in love with someone/something because of something deep and felt (the Cups, the fact it's the only "local" team there is, players and owners who care about their fans) and then it becomes a repetitive cycle of lies, emotional abuse and punches to the gut.

It sucks.
- potvin05

Youre not the only one. Right there with you.

I don't think a multi millionaire makes a $140million (or whatever) investment wihout knowing where the stopping points have been. The previous management had tried, and tried again, to develop that land without luck. I think Charles overestimated his ability to clean up the business end of the Isles and it's subsequent effect on changing the on ice product.
I definitely don't agree with the idea that he bought the team as a tool to make land deals. He didn't have to purchase a $140 million sinking ship to do that.

Charles ultimately sees himself as a Long Islander and felt he could buy a floundering franchise and return it to glory thus etching his name as a Long Island hero. What he didn't anticipate was how much roadblocking he'd get from the local politicians in combatting SMG. I think the guy is generally sincere with his intentions regarding the Isles but simply has no clue how to run a hockey team nor is he stupid enough to keep pouring money into a black hole.
- keaner17

That's fine. Well agree to disagree.

Just another excuse for this organization. I just don't get it how people can defend this clown
- kasperrko

Keaner17 wasn't defending him. I don't think I've seen anyone defend Cappy.

It's, just, I'm reaching my rope's end here. I know I'm not the only one. I'm a fan since I'm a little kid, so I'm not going anywhere, but almost 40 years old now, I'm getting sick of the fact a complete buffoon runs this organization I actually still love. It's like battered spouse syndrome, you fall in love with someone/something because of something deep and felt (the Cups, the fact it's the only "local" team there is, players and owners who care about their fans) and then it becomes a repetitive cycle of lies, emotional abuse and punches to the gut.

It sucks.
- potvin05

Of course this can all change. It's a big 'IF' and I know many understandably don't believe it will happen, but if Charles suddenly steps up once we've hit Brooklyn and UFA's start showing up in larger numbers (1>0), our prospects are fully matured and ready to go, suddenly this team goes from playoff bubble team to contender. If they sustain that for a couple of years, suddenly 2007-2012 look like a period that we simply survived and people history may view Wang differently.

I consider that more likely than going to Barclays and giving us years and years of the status quo.

Problem is they should not be learning. They already should be knowing what they are doing before they do the job. With any job they would like you to have a clue.
- kasperrko

A good owner should, I repeat, SHOULD, do his homework, try to hire someone with a proven pedigree, and let the guys he HIRES do their jobs.
Not, hire a guy because he's your friend, he's fun to be around, or that you, and you only, think can do a good job.

I hate to pile on Snow because its all Wang. It's all Wang. It's ALWAYS gonna be Wang. Stevie (frank)ing Wonder can see that. And...he doesn't know the first thing about hockey.

Of course this can all change. It's a big 'IF' and I know many understandably don't believe it will happen, but if Charles suddenly steps up once we've hit Brooklyn and UFA's start showing up in larger numbers (1>0), our prospects are fully matured and ready to go, suddenly this team goes from playoff bubble team to contender. If they sustain that for a couple of years, suddenly 2007-2012 look like a period that we simply survived and people history may view Wang differently.

I consider that more likely than going to Barclays and giving us years and years of the status quo.
- keaner17

This has been going on for years. Decades, now. It's not gonna change. It's all on the kids and Snow convincing someone to sign a big contract here.

Wang ain't changing. It's not just about the money. It's about his poopty attitude and the fact he can't be a) wrong about anything and b) doesn't know hockey. (frank)ing stupid pride, and its always gonna be there, and its always gonna bite US in the ass.

Problem is they should not be learning. They already should be knowing what they are doing before they do the job. With any job they would like you to have a clue.
- kasperrko

To a degree I agree.....(that sounds funny)
I think EVERYONE learns on the job. Bill Belichek learned on the job. Vince Lombardi learned on the job. The question is do you progress. Maybe someday Cappy will learn how to put together lines, call timeouts, sneak candy bar breaks more discretely and become a decent coach.. I'm not interested in waiting for him to do that though.

Pete Carrol was considered an awful coach after his first couple of jobs. So was Belichek. SO it is possible. But we need someone ready NOW.

As for Garth. When he first got hired I thought "Ugh, they're gonna kill us for that one" but I also felt that has an NHL goaltender, no one has better insite on existing players. He's a smart guy, etc etc. I think he's shown signs that he can do the job, but it's very difficult to tell where his shortcomings come from. Is it budgetary. Team reputation? or is it plainly him.

For Charles, I think he has learned to butt out a bit more. The Committee approach was abandoned which already suggests he admitted to one wrong. I just don't think he'll ever get the ethical side of it down pat.

Problem is they should not be learning. They already should be knowing what they are doing before they do the job. With any job they would like you to have a clue.
- kasperrko

Or Wang should hire people who know what they're doing when they're hired. But alas, it's not the islander way.

To a degree I agree.....(that sounds funny)
I think EVERYONE learns on the job. Bill Belichek learned on the job. Vince Lombardi learned on the job. The question is do you progress. Maybe someday Cappy will learn how to put together lines, call timeouts, sneak candy bar breaks more discretely and become a decent coach.. I'm not interested in waiting for him to do that though.

Pete Carrol was considered an awful coach after his first couple of jobs. So was Belichek. SO it is possible. But we need someone ready NOW.

As for Garth. When he first got hired I thought "Ugh, they're gonna kill us for that one" but I also felt that has an NHL goaltender, no one has better insite on existing players. He's a smart guy, etc etc. I think he's shown signs that he can do the job, but it's very difficult to tell where his shortcomings come from. Is it budgetary. Team reputation? or is it plainly him.

For Charles, I think he has learned to butt out a bit more. The Committee approach was abandoned which already suggests he admitted to one wrong. I just don't think he'll ever get the ethical side of it down pat.
- keaner17

Bill Belichek was on the tutoring of Bill Parcells. I mean come on now. Who did Jack learn from. NO ONE. who did Snow learn from to be a GM NO ONE. These guys are here cause they are cheap and will say and do whatever Wang wants. Wang is losing money so he saves money by putting crap in charge. That is why this team is horrendous

To a degree I agree.....(that sounds funny)
I think EVERYONE learns on the job. Bill Belichek learned on the job. Vince Lombardi learned on the job. The question is do you progress. Maybe someday Cappy will learn how to put together lines, call timeouts, sneak candy bar breaks more discretely and become a decent coach.. I'm not interested in waiting for him to do that though.

Pete Carrol was considered an awful coach after his first couple of jobs. So was Belichek. SO it is possible. But we need someone ready NOW.

As for Garth. When he first got hired I thought "Ugh, they're gonna kill us for that one" but I also felt that has an NHL goaltender, no one has better insite on existing players. He's a smart guy, etc etc. I think he's shown signs that he can do the job, but it's very difficult to tell where his shortcomings come from. Is it budgetary. Team reputation? or is it plainly him.
For Charles, I think he has learned to butt out a bit more. The Committee approach was abandoned which already suggests he admitted to one wrong. I just don't think he'll ever get the ethical side of it down pat.
- keaner17

People could not stand this guy when he was playing. He was a mediocre player at best and to be honest a goaltender really?? I mean what other GM in the league is a goaltender?? Common sense is all it takes to make a team successful this team has none

Or Wang should hire people who know what they're doing when they're hired. But alas, it's not the islander way.
- Jethro09

I'd also argue that people who are still making entry-level mistakes seven and a half years into a job maybe are just not cut out for that job. That's about as long as I've been at my company, and I'm considered a grizzled vet here.

This has been going on for years. Decades, now. It's not gonna change. It's all on the kids and Snow convincing someone to sign a big contract here.

Wang ain't changing. It's not just about the money. It's about his poopty attitude and the fact he can't be a) wrong about anything and b) doesn't know hockey. (frank)ing stupid pride, and its always gonna be there, and its always gonna bite US in the ass.
- potvin05

Well, it's tough to argue the hopless negativity. I would say that opinions about Charles were a good bit differently prior the the 2007 shakeup. He was seen as a bit of a loon but not as a penny pincher. Much of that was brought on with the realization that this team simply wouldn't be profitable until they moved. $16-23 million in annual losses over a decade will do that to you. For that reason, I do think it will change because it's in his best financial interest to make the team profitable once they're in Barclays. Charles WANTS to make money.

Most of the Isles players like Charles, not a little but a lot. I still believe that even if there is a stigma about playing for him, the introduction of a new stadium and an up and coming team will open the gates a bit for UFA's