There's no comparison how? Having the eyes of an entire hockey-crazed country laser focusing on your every move and succeeding versus...walking into a front office for the first time while still in your goalie equipment? I'll disagree there. You're also still ignoring his positions with Detroit that let him soak in how to successfully do a front office job. Actually, I will agree with you...there's no comparison between Yzerman's preparedness and Snow's for the GM position.
- UIF

Nor is there a comparison in success in the position. More success much less time for Yzerman.

Oh yeah? I seem to see one in our case? Garth Snow is proving it. Besides the fact Snow's name shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Steve Yzerman. Facking joke.
- Cptmjl

Eh, at the other end of the spectrum though, Gretzky was the best player to play the game and was clearly out-coached by a country mile by Dave Tippett.

Eh, at the other end of the spectrum though, Gretzky was the best player to play the game and was clearly out-coached by a country mile by Dave Tippett.
- UIF

Of course. The problem is when someone says, "Well Tampa did it with Steve Yzerman". The guy held positions in the buisness side of the game, was one of the best captains in hockey, VP of hockey operations, won 3 cups, come on. Bad comparison. There are plenty of people in hockey that haven't had successful or any hockey careers and went on to be great on the buisness side but let's be honest here usually they had some experience on the buisness side prior to their hire. Being a winner helps anyone who says different is not thinking. I'd be more inclined to hire a winner instead of a loser. What about you?

Of course. The problem is when someone says, "Well Tampa did it with Steve Yzerman". The guy held positions in the buisness side of the game, was one of the best captains in hockey, VP of hockey operations, won 3 cups, come on. Bad comparison. There are plenty of people in hockey that haven't had successful or any hockey careers but let's be honest here usually they had some experience on the buisness side prior to their hire. Being a winner helps anyone who says different is not thinking. I'd hire a winner instead of a loser. Who would you hire?
- Cptmjl

That's the part that's most important, I think. Snow wasn't able to learn from anyone about the management side of the sport before stepping into the front office. He was just as qualified as anyone on the team right now is.

There's no comparison how? Having the eyes of an entire hockey-crazed country laser focusing on your every move and succeeding versus...walking into a front office for the first time while still in your goalie equipment? I'll disagree there. You're also still ignoring his positions with Detroit that let him soak in how to successfully do a front office job. Actually, I will agree with you...there's no comparison between Yzerman's preparedness and Snow's for the GM position.
- UIF

Because the duties of a GM in the Olympics is a completely different set from that of an NHL GM. He is merely selecting the best players. It's a fantasy sports gig. Sure you can tinker on a couple of chemistry ideas, but ultimately you're the GM choosing from the most talented pool of players in the world, with no need to worry about typical day to day GM activities. The things Garth has failed in the eyes of many here, are NOT things Yzerman had to deal with as an Olympic GM.

I'm ignoring the rest because I choose not to discuss them

That's the part that's most important, I think. Snow wasn't able to learn from anyone about the management side of the sport before stepping into the front office. He was just as qualified as anyone on the team right now is.
- UIF

And Again...I give you Bobby Clarke. Off the Ice, into the GM spot. One of the best GM's in hockey from the 1980's through early 1990s.

Oh yeah? I seem to see one in our case? Garth Snow is proving it. Besides the fact Snow's name shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Steve Yzerman. Facking joke. Snow is a clown. Embarrassment is a better word.
- Cptmjl

Ken Holland....3 games NHL experience....

And again. it's incredible how these conversations evolve. This is how this started. Potvin remarks about the fact that we'll be stuck with Snow for life. I respond by saying in that case that our only real hope is that Snow evolves and gets better....I go on to mention I think Wang, Snow and Cappy will all evolve in their positions but make sure to say that Cappy will suck no matter what.

Suddenly there's four pages of folks thinking I'm defending hiring Snow and saying they'll all be good someday!

I make a comment to say that other coaches have evolved in their positions to become better coaches and suddenly people think I like Cappy!


WOW!

Good news, I won a lot of money betting on Canada

bad news, USA lost. Boy their offensive game looked terrible, they must have had >12:00 of offensive zone time

They sure could have used Okposo and Ryan over all those offensive minded forwards

And Parise is overrated.

And again. it's incredible how these conversations evolve. This is how this started. Potvin remarks about the fact that we'll be stuck with Snow for life. I respond by saying in that case that our only real hope is that Snow evolves and gets better....I go on to mention I think Wang, Snow and Cappy will all evolve in their positions but make sure to say that Cappy will suck no matter what.

Suddenly there's four pages of folks thinking I'm defending hiring Snow and saying they'll all be good someday!

I make a comment to say that other coaches have evolved in their positions to become better coaches and suddenly people think I like Cappy!


WOW!
- keaner17

I'm not saying you're a fan...I'm saying the "evolution" argument is a bad one...it should have taken place already, if it was ever going to. What you see is what you get with this crowd...they've all been at this for quite a while. Jeez, 7 1/2 years ago I was unmarried, living in a different state with my biggest concern being whether to spend all the extra money I had on a new guitar and trip up to my college town. It was a long time ago!

And again. it's incredible how these conversations evolve. This is how this started. Potvin remarks about the fact that we'll be stuck with Snow for life. I respond by saying in that case that our only real hope is that Snow evolves and gets better....I go on to mention I think Wang, Snow and Cappy will all evolve in their positions but make sure to say that Cappy will suck no matter what.

Suddenly there's four pages of folks thinking I'm defending hiring Snow and saying they'll all be good someday!

I make a comment to say that other coaches have evolved in their positions to become better coaches and suddenly people think I like Cappy!


WOW!
- keaner17

You love Snow admit it

Ken Holland....3 games NHL experience....
- keaner17

After his playing career was over, Holland took a job with the Red Wings as a scout in Western Canada. He subsequently served seven years as Director of Amateur Scouting and three as Assistant General Manager. On July 18, 1997, he was promoted to his current position of General Manager


Again, bad comparison...

I'm not saying you're a fan...I'm saying the "evolution" argument is a bad one...it should have taken place already, if it was ever going to. What you see is what you get with this crowd...they've all been at this for quite a while. Jeez, 7 1/2 years ago I was unmarried, living in a different state with my biggest concern being whether to spend all the extra money I had on a new guitar and trip up to my college town. It was a long time ago!
- UIF

You love Snow admit it
- Cptmjl

[quote=Danformo]
not really

After his playing career was over, Holland took a job with the Red Wings as a scout in Western Canada. He subsequently served seven years as Director of Amateur Scouting and three as Assistant General Manager. On July 18, 1997, he was promoted to his current position of General Manager


Again, bad comparison...
- Cptmjl

No..we weren't talking about experience at that point. This was simplified to whether on ice success translated to GM success.....

No..we weren't talking about experience at that point. This was simplified to whether on ice success translated to GM success.....
- keaner17

That was one part of the post where I said I'd take a winner over a loser any day of the week which I would. The whole point of the post was Wang hiring someone with zero qualifications. You compared Wang hiring Snow to Tampa hiring Yzerman saying he had zero experience. You bringing up Holland and Yzerman and comparing them to Snow is actually making me physically ill. I'm not kidding

I'm not saying you're a fan...I'm saying the "evolution" argument is a bad one...it should have taken place already, if it was ever going to. What you see is what you get with this crowd...they've all been at this for quite a while. Jeez, 7 1/2 years ago I was unmarried, living in a different state with my biggest concern being whether to spend all the extra money I had on a new guitar and trip up to my college town. It was a long time ago!
- UIF

It's a bad one if taken at face value, which you (along with others) did.

I had only made that comment as a response to a "we're going to be stuck with Snow forever". My response was a more of a "well we can always hope". But as typical, the responses come to responses found 4-5 comments later which completely distorts and perverts the original subject.

I am in no friggin' way saying any of them should be 'given' more time with the hope that they'll suddenly morph into better professionals. I merely stated that it's reasonable to assume that inexperienced coaches and GM's can get better with time. If one is to argue that the biggest problem with Snow as a GM hire was lack of experience, would it not be safe to assume he'd be a better candidate today than in 2007? Sheesh.

That was one part of the post where I said I'd take a winner over a loser any day of the week. The whole point of the post was Wang hiring someone with zero qualifications. You compared Wang hiring Snow to Tampa hiring Yzerman saying he had zero experience. You bringing up Holland and Yzerman and comparing them to Snow is actually making me physically ill. I'm not kidding
- Cptmjl

NO! I mentioned Yzerman as a player with no GM experience. As for his front office positions, no one has any idea what those responsibilities entailed. The point was NOT to say, these two situations are alike, but to merely state that not every GM has to have a track record.
Again..Bobby Clarke.

NO! I mentioned Yzerman as a player with no GM experience. As for his front office positions, no one has any idea what those responsibilities entailed. The point was NOT to say, these two situations are alike, but to merely state that not every GM has to have a track record.
Again..Bobby Clarke.
- keaner17

OK, OK, OK...OK. You get Bobby Clarke. Maybe visionary Wang saw the second coming of Bobby Clarke in...Garth Snow.

By the way, Bobby Clarke was fired in less time by Philly (the first go-around) with far better results, Snow lover!

So does NY give Buffalo their first round pick this year or next year?
What if this year's is a top 5 pick?

NO! I mentioned Yzerman as a player with no GM experience. As for his front office positions, no one has any idea what those responsibilities entailed. The point was NOT to say, these two situations are alike, but to merely state that not every GM has to have a track record.
Again..Bobby Clarke.
- keaner17

He has no GM experience but being VP of hockey operations probably brings a little more to the table then being the guy that was directly responsible for the NHL re writing the rule book on goalies shoulder pads.

So does NY give Buffalo their first round pick this year or next year?
What if this year's is a top 5 pick?
- FieldOfGreen

Go back to the first 5 pages of this thread and find your answer I'll speak for everyone and say we are sick of explaining this.

OK, OK, OK...OK. You get Bobby Clarke. Maybe visionary Wang saw the second coming of Bobby Clarke in...Garth Snow.

By the way, Bobby Clarke was fired in less time by Philly (the first go-around) with far better results, Snow lover!
- UIF

But he got better...didn't he?