No body is saying that Clarkson would not be useful, but how much more useful would he be than say , Eric Cole, or Max Talbot, or Steve Downy?
- Jeropotato

What do u think is Clarkson's value? Trying to match salaries is a tad difficult while keeping it fair

Closer to Petry = Gunnarsson.

If you take both players' contract into account, Gagner has FAR more value than Clarkson. Clarkson has the same (or even less) value as Horcoff did after he signed his big contract.
- MaximumBone

I'd say definitely less than Horcoff.

Clarkson:
2 seasons before contract : GP 80 G30 A16 P46
1 season before contract : GP 82 G26 A15 P41
season after contract : GP 53 G5 A8 P13

Horcoff:
2 seasons before contract : GP 53 G21 A29 P50
1 season before contract :GP 80 G17 A36 P53
season after contract :GP 77 G13 A23 P36

And for reference a player who kept up his numbers

Kesler:
2 seasons before contract : GP82 G26 A33 P59
1 season before contract :GP82 G25 A50 P75
season after contract : GP82 G41 A32 P73

Interesting to note that since Horcoff had actually posted 73, 51, 50 (in 53GP) and 53 point seasons from the lockout to his contract year, he actually looked much closer to a guy like Kesler than to a guy like Clarkson (how wrong we were)

Clarkson would be the big, physical top 6 or 9 winger that has been to a Cup final and does bring leadership abilities. Gunnar & Petry are equal.
- PatC80

I'd do that trade, we probably lose a bit in overall value but having clarkson play the net presence/puck retrieval would help our pp and Gunnar and petry are pretty much a wash. Clarksons having a brutal year but he has scored 30 before and if we hope to compete in the pacific we need a bigger top 9.

What do u think is Clarkson's value? Trying to match salaries is a tad difficult while keeping it fair
- PatC80

I'm not really sure.If there was no salary attached I would say he is an above average 3rd line player with the ability to play in the top 6 in certain situations. Certainly a player that would be of some use for the Oilers, hence the overpay offer in the summer, but not someone we should give up much in the way of assets for.
I would rather just throw 2- 4 million at an average 3rd liner like Blake Comeau, Brendan Morrow, Nicolai Kulemin, Steve Downie or David Moss in the off season and not give up any assets. Not saying these guys are better than Clarkson.

I'd do that trade, we probably lose a bit in overall value but having clarkson play the net presence/puck retrieval would help our pp and Gunnar and petry are pretty much a wash. Clarksons having a brutal year but he has scored 30 before and if we hope to compete in the pacific we need a bigger top 9.
- patheticgirl43

You don't think we can get a better value player free agency with a similar skillset?

I'd say definitely less than Horcoff.

Clarkson:
2 seasons before contract : GP 80 G30 A16 P46
1 season before contract : GP 82 G26 A15 P41
season after contract : GP 53 G5 A8 P13

Horcoff:
2 seasons before contract : GP 53 G21 A29 P50
1 season before contract :GP 80 G17 A36 P53
season after contract :GP 77 G13 A23 P36

And for reference a player who kept up his numbers

Kesler:
2 seasons before contract : GP82 G26 A33 P59
1 season before contract :GP82 G25 A50 P75
season after contract : GP82 G41 A32 P73

Interesting to note that since Horcoff had actually posted 73, 51, 50 (in 53GP) and 53 point seasons from the lockout to his contract year, he actually looked much closer to a guy like Kesler than to a guy like Clarkson (how wrong we were)
- Morris

So Horcoff > Clarkson? Horcs also has more points than Clarkson this season, is the same height, and 10lbs heavier than Clarkson. Clarkson = a worse version of Horcoff

I'm not really sure.If there was no salary attached I would say he is an above average 3rd line player with the ability to play in the top 6 in certain situations. Certainly a player that would be of some use for the Oilers, hence the overpay offer in the summer, but not someone we should give up much in the way of assets for.
I would rather just throw 2- 4 million at an average 3rd liner like Blake Comeau, Brendan Morrow, Nicolai Kulemin, Steve Downie or David Moss in the off season and not give up any assets. Not saying these guys are better than Clarkson.
- Jeropotato

I imagine Comeau could be had for less than 1.5-2. He'd be a solid bottom 6 option though. Same with Moss. Reunite him with Gordo

Clarkson'd be 11th in EDM's F scoring and at 5.25M until he's 36
- TheNugeIsHuge

Clarkson's not having the best luck shooting this year, and he started off bone-headedly getting that suspension. In a do-over year with the bounces going more normally, he appears in closer to 50 games and pots around 20 points. Not amazing, but better than 10 in 39.

But he's still overpaid.

I'd do that trade, we probably lose a bit in overall value but having clarkson play the net presence/puck retrieval would help our pp and Gunnar and petry are pretty much a wash. Clarksons having a brutal year but he has scored 30 before and if we hope to compete in the pacific we need a bigger top 9.
- patheticgirl43

He scored 30 once, while shooting 4% above his career average SH%. He's never gotten over 17 outside of the 2011-2012 season. He's a month n and a half from turning 30 and has already hit the peak of his career.

Also 5.25M til he's 36

I imagine Comeau could be had for less than 1.5-2. He'd be a solid bottom 6 option though. Same with Moss. Reunite him with Gordo
- TheNugeIsHuge

Sure. I like guys like that. Big-ish, Cheap and effective. I see a greater need there then I do for guys like Evander Kane, Chris Stewart or Nathan Horton and there contracts at this point.

He scored 30 once, while shooting 4% above his career average SH%. He's never gotten over 17 outside of the 2011-2012 season. He's a month n and a half from turning 30 and has already hit the peak of his career.

Also 5.25M til he's 36
- TheNugeIsHuge

Yup. We dodged a bullet with that one.

Clarkson's not having the best luck shooting this year, and he started off bone-headedly getting that suspension. In a do-over year with the bounces going more normally, he appears in closer to 50 games and pots around 20 points. Not amazing, but better than 10 in 39.

But he's still overpaid.
- Morris

with average luck he'd be scoring at the same clip as Smyth, and we can only assume he'll decline as his ugly contract goes on

So Horcoff > Clarkson? Horcs also has more points than Clarkson this season, is the same height, and 10lbs heavier than Clarkson. Clarkson = a worse version of Horcoff

- ruttager17

Correct me if I am wrong but weren't the majority of Oilers fans willing to drive Horcoff to the airport last season? Clarkson is also 5 years younger than Horcoff

Sure. I like guys like that. Big-ish, Cheap and effective. I see a greater need there then I do for guys like Evander Kane, Chris Stewart or Nathan Horton and there contracts at this point.
- Jeropotato

This could totally be taken the wrong way.

Yup. We dodged a bullet with that one.
- Jeropotato

how badly MacT wanted him scares me

So Horcoff > Clarkson? Horcs also has more points than Clarkson this season, is the same height, and 10lbs heavier than Clarkson. Clarkson = a worse version of Horcoff

- ruttager17

I'm not going to comment on now, because Horcs seems to have completed lost his scoring touch.

But there's a reason we signed him to that big deal. Those are bona fide 2nd line centre numbers in the NHL. 50+ points consistently with an excellent defensive conscience?

Legwand will likely fetch around 5 in free agency despite posting less impressive offensive and defensive numbers than Horcs did.

Sure. I like guys like that. Big-ish, Cheap and effective. I see a greater need there then I do for guys like Evander Kane, Chris Stewart or Nathan Horton and there contracts at this point.
- Jeropotato

100% Bubba, you are the simple jack

Correct me if I am wrong but weren't the majority of Oilers fans willing to drive Horcoff to the airport last season? Clarkson is also 5 years younger than Horcoff
- PatC80

Yes, and few of us regret his departure. Whats your point?

100% Bubba, you are the simple jack
- ruttager17

What the (frank) is the " simple jack", jabroni?

I'm not going to comment on now, because Horcs seems to have completed lost his scoring touch.

But there's a reason we signed him to that big deal. Those are bona fide 2nd line centre numbers in the NHL. 50+ points consistently with an excellent defensive conscience?

Legwand will likely fetch around 5 in free agency despite posting less impressive offensive and defensive numbers than Horcs did.
- Morris

No I just think your stats put it into perspective what a guy like Clarkson is actually worth. People harped on horcs for years for being terrible, yet he has better production than this sought after UFA from New Jersey, who is no bigger than Horcs. glad the oil did not give the guy what the leafs paid him. Huge overpayment

Yes, and few of us regret his departure. Whats your point?
- Jeropotato

My only regret there is that we did have the cap space for him, and we would be a better team with him than with Larsen.

Of course, you can't keep him without keeping the status quo, and the same leadership, etc. And they would have had to walk the tightrope all season with how many deals they ended up making.

how badly MacT wanted him scares me
- TheNugeIsHuge

Well he sort of does address a need....but for the money he was about to pay? Yikes!

What the (frank) is the " simple jack", jabroni?
- Jeropotato

I am testing it out You said you had a new phrase for when someone goes full retard in a post. Well that is what Ben Stiller did in Tropic Thunder. Not that your post was full retard by any means. Just conducting a sociological experiment.

My only regret there is that we did have the cap space for him, and we would be a better team with him than with Larsen.

Of course, you can't keep him without keeping the status quo, and the same leadership, etc. And they would have had to walk the tightrope all season with how many deals they ended up making.
- Morris

Yes, he had to go. He was and is an okay player, but the dynamics in the room and on the bench likely had to change. Plus, the fans wanted him gone and so probably did he want a change.
Also, there were too many games where he seemed to instantly sh!t his pants everytime the puck touched his stick in the offensive zone.

I am testing it out You said you had a new phrase for when someone goes full retard in a post. Well that is what Ben Stiller did in Tropic Thunder. Not that your post was full retard by any means. Just conducting a sociological experiment.
- ruttager17

So how did my response impact your data? I mean, the use of name calling and foul language.