The Henrik/Daniel trade proposals are going to increase from Nucks fans exponentially from here on out. The window has closed and moving them is the best thing they could do, but it isn't happening.

And if it did, the Oilers definitely wouldn't give up Nuge for them.
- Matt_Henderson

"Clearly he realizes the window for the Casucks is closing and almost shut, hence why wanting to get rid of the sisters for top draft picks and a guy like Nuge."

A little late to the party Hendo. I literally posted this about 15 mins ago.

They might get 1sts, top 6 forwards and veterans from some teams but not from Edmonton.

Here's a trade:
Phoenix trades Maxi Domi, Antoine Vermette, a 1st and a 2nd for Henrik, Daniel and Janik Hansen
- Morris

Okay. Serious question for Oiler fans then. What in the world do you think is going to happen if you keep getting top 5 picks? Your talent is not turning into a Crosby/Malkin/Fleury/Letang for one simple reason. The supporting cast is not Lemieux, Malone, Palffy, Gonchar, Recchi, Leclair, Roberts, etc..

I could do the same thing with Chicago and Anaheim who surrounded young stars with veterans. Edmonton doesn't have the luxury of having FAs knocking down their door. If you don't make a trade to bring in vets who can take the pressure off, you'll turn into the Panthers or Islanders real quick.

I just don't understand why people don't understand this. Henrik and Daniel, at 15-16 mins a game, are 70pt players easily. The pressure they'd take off young stars can't be underestimated. I hate them both and neither produced BUT Messier was responsible for getting Naslund to the next level and Sundin for getting Sedins/Kesler to the next level.

It's the price you need to pay. It doesn't have to be the twins but that's the type of deal you must make.

Okay. Serious question for Oiler fans then. What in the world do you think is going to happen if you keep getting top 5 picks? Your talent is not turning into a Crosby/Malkin/Fleury/Letang for one simple reason. The supporting cast is not Lemieux, Malone, Palffy, Gonchar, Recchi, Leclair, Roberts, etc..

I could do the same thing with Chicago and Anaheim who surrounded young stars with veterans. Edmonton doesn't have the luxury of having FAs knocking down their door. If you don't make a trade to bring in vets who can take the pressure off, you'll turn into the Panthers or Islanders real quick.

I just don't understand why people don't understand this. Henrik and Daniel, at 15-16 mins a game, are 70pt players easily. The pressure they'd take off young stars can't be underestimated. I hate them both and neither produced BUT Messier was responsible for getting Naslund to the next level and Sundin for getting Sedins/Kesler to the next level.

It's the price you need to pay. It doesn't have to be the twins but that's the type of deal you must make.
- therealagent

Defensemen. It's the price we need to pay for a top pairing defenseman. Not for players who albeit are more developped and provide better leadership, but cover the exact same skillsets we already have (too much of)

"Clearly he realizes the window for the Casucks is closing and almost shut, hence why wanting to get rid of the sisters for top draft picks and a guy like Nuge."

A little late to the party Hendo. I literally posted this about 15 mins ago.

- ruttager17

Well then take that as my complete and total agreement with what you said.

Defensemen. It's the price we need to pay for a top pairing defenseman. Not for players who albeit are more developped and provide better leadership, but cover the exact same skillsets we already have (too much of)
- Morris

Rumor mongers keep saying Buffalo has interest in Gagner and that Buffalo is open to moving Erhoff......

Would a Gagner for Erhoff deal make sense for us ? Would Buffalo do it ?

To add to what I just said, I would gladly pay some combination of:
Klefbom
Nurse
Marincin
In fact pretty much any prospect
Gagner
Hemsky
Eberle/Yakupov
Petry/Schultz
1st round picks until the end of time
2nd round picks until the end of time

to shore up our defense with a bona fide top pairing veteran...

...and I think give or take a few names that's a pretty common sentiment. We're not resistant to trading a big price. We're resistant to trading a big price for older versions of the skillsets we already have and in turn losing our opportunity to pay that big price for veterans we really need.

Rumor mongers keep saying Buffalo has interest in Gagner and that Buffalo is open to moving Erhoff......

Would a Gagner for Erhoff deal make sense for us ? Would Buffalo do it ?
- Reveen

I would absolutely do that move. I think that's solid value for us. I dunno that Buffalo would be I'd be willing to work up from Gagner to get Ehrhoff.

Mind you, I haven't had a close look at his game for the past year, so maybe someone will tell you he can't hack it anymore.

Okay. Serious question for Oiler fans then. What in the world do you think is going to happen if you keep getting top 5 picks? Your talent is not turning into a Crosby/Malkin/Fleury/Letang for one simple reason. The supporting cast is not Lemieux, Malone, Palffy, Gonchar, Recchi, Leclair, Roberts, etc..

I could do the same thing with Chicago and Anaheim who surrounded young stars with veterans. Edmonton doesn't have the luxury of having FAs knocking down their door. If you don't make a trade to bring in vets who can take the pressure off, you'll turn into the Panthers or Islanders real quick.

I just don't understand why people don't understand this. Henrik and Daniel, at 15-16 mins a game, are 70pt players easily. The pressure they'd take off young stars can't be underestimated. I hate them both and neither produced BUT Messier was responsible for getting Naslund to the next level and Sundin for getting Sedins/Kesler to the next level.

It's the price you need to pay. It doesn't have to be the twins but that's the type of deal you must make.
- therealagent

Sundin in his 41 games with the Canucks single handedly got the Sedin's and Kesler to the next level in half a season? And Lemieux played 10 games in 03-04, and 26 in 05-06 so he was hardly a supporting cast member that got Crosby n co to the Finals and the cup in 09.

I would absolutely do that move. I think that's solid value for us. I dunno that Buffalo would be I'd be willing to work up from Gagner to get Ehrhoff.

Mind you, I haven't had a close look at his game for the past year, so maybe someone will tell you he can't hack it anymore.
- Morris

He's leading the Sabres in ice time with 24:01 minutes per game. He must have something left in the tank.

I would absolutely do that move. I think that's solid value for us. I dunno that Buffalo would be I'd be willing to work up from Gagner to get Ehrhoff.

Mind you, I haven't had a close look at his game for the past year, so maybe someone will tell you he can't hack it anymore.
- Morris

He's a legit top pairing guy that moves the puck well, has a great point shot (for our PP), and can defend solidly. He also doesn't get killed possession-wise on the worst team in the league while carrying a cap hit of just $4 million- albeit for another 8 years.

WARNING: I MENTION OMARK IN THIS POST. IGNORE IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ IT!!!

This is the last time I'll mention him unprovoked like this, but an interesting stat I found on Omark's time in Buffalo is that only 23% of his zone starts were in the offensive zone. To put that into perspective, he got fewer off. zone starts than Boyd Gordon.

WARNING: I MENTION OMARK IN THIS POST. IGNORE IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ IT!!!

This is the last time I'll mention him unprovoked like this, but an interesting stat I found on Omark's time in Buffalo is that only 23% of his zone starts were in the offensive zone. To put that into perspective, he got fewer off. zone starts than Boyd Gordon.
- MaximumBone

Stats.HockeyAnalyisis has the number even lower! According to them he has only had 18.8% OffZone Starts 5v5. It looks like all of their "better" players are loaded up in the Neutral zone or the Def zone. It's pretty much the opposite of a Vigneault strategy.

WARNING: I MENTION OMARK IN THIS POST. IGNORE IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ IT!!!

This is the last time I'll mention him unprovoked like this, but an interesting stat I found on Omark's time in Buffalo is that only 23% of his zone starts were in the offensive zone. To put that into perspective, he got fewer off. zone starts than Boyd Gordon.
- MaximumBone

You know if you wouldn't have bolded it I wouldn't have noticed

To add to what I just said, I would gladly pay some combination of:
Klefbom
Nurse
Marincin
In fact pretty much any prospect
Gagner
Hemsky
Eberle/Yakupov
Petry/Schultz
1st round picks until the end of time
2nd round picks until the end of time

to shore up our defense with a bona fide top pairing veteran...

...and I think give or take a few names that's a pretty common sentiment. We're not resistant to trading a big price. We're resistant to trading a big price for older versions of the skillsets we already have and in turn losing our opportunity to pay that big price for veterans we really need.
- Morris

I think keeping Marincin-Petry should be a top priority.

But I'm definitely open to moving Eberle/Yak, J Schultz, Klefbom, Gagner, and really any prospect hopefully not named Nurse if it means a top 2C and/or a top pairing Dman

Sundin in his 41 games with the Canucks single handedly got the Sedin's and Kesler to the next level in half a season? And Lemieux played 10 games in 03-04, and 26 in 05-06 so he was hardly a supporting cast member that got Crosby n co to the Finals and the cup in 09.
- ruttager17

Yes, believe it or not. The stats don't lie. The player interviews don't lie.

I give up. Go ahead and keep all the young talent thinking you only need defense. You need defense yes. You also need forwards to take the pressure off the kids who are expected to score once playoff time starts.

Should have hired Burke. You would have been a playoff team this year.

You know if you wouldn't have bolded it I wouldn't have noticed
- Lahey

(frank)!

I think keeping Marincin-Petry should be a top priority.

But I'm definitely open to moving Eberle/Yak, J Schultz, Klefbom, Gagner, and really any prospect hopefully not named Nurse if it means a top 2C and/or a top pairing Dman
- TheNugeIsHuge

I just think there's this impression that no oilers fan is prepared to move anything.

Perhaps we should create a master first post that spells out that we're not looking to fleece other GMs, we're not happy to be in the basement forever, but we do have preferences in terms of who we move and who we target.

I don't know why anyone would think "trades for the sake of trades" make sense.

I would absolutely do that move. I think that's solid value for us. I dunno that Buffalo would be I'd be willing to work up from Gagner to get Ehrhoff.

Mind you, I haven't had a close look at his game for the past year, so maybe someone will tell you he can't hack it anymore.
- Morris

I imagine it'd take Gagner+. Maybe even as much as Gagner+Klefbom+, as BUF seems to fleece teams when sending out their players. Although they don't really need anymore D prospects.

He's got pretty nice looking possession numbers. His corsi rel% is +4.7% and his SF/SA percentage rel% is +5.5%. I imagine he'd look pretty good on a pairing with J Schultz

Yes, believe it or not. The stats don't lie. The player interviews don't lie.

I give up. Go ahead and keep all the young talent thinking you only need defense. You need defense yes. You also need forwards to take the pressure off the kids who are expected to score once playoff time starts.

Should have hired Burke. You would have been a playoff team this year.
- therealagent

I HIGHLY doubt that.

Yes, believe it or not. The stats don't lie. The player interviews don't lie.

I give up. Go ahead and keep all the young talent thinking you only need defense. You need defense yes. You also need forwards to take the pressure off the kids who are expected to score once playoff time starts.

Should have hired Burke. You would have been a playoff team this year.
- therealagent

you just lost what little credibility you had at this point

you just lost what little credibility you had at this point
- TheNugeIsHuge

I know. But what the hell. Calgary makes the playoffs before the Oilers do at this point.

I just think there's this impression that no oilers fan is prepared to move anything.

Perhaps we should create a master first post that spells out that we're not looking to fleece other GMs, we're not happy to be in the basement forever, but we do have preferences in terms of who we move and who we target.

I don't know why anyone would think "trades for the sake of trades" make sense.
- Morris

No kidding. "Well, if you don't wanna trade your 20 year old 1C and 2 high firsts for 2 33YOs soon to be on the decline of their career then you won't trade anybody! And you'll be at the bottom forever!"

It sounds like everybody from Winnipeg is available. If Ladd and Byfuglien were on the table I'd absolutely send Eberle+J Schultz++ or whoever their way.

I imagine it'd take Gagner+. Maybe even as much as Gagner+Klefbom+, as BUF seems to fleece teams when sending out their players. Although they don't really need anymore D prospects.

He's got pretty nice looking possession numbers. His corsi rel% is +4.7% and his SF/SA percentage rel% is +5.5%. I imagine he'd look pretty good on a pairing with J Schultz
- TheNugeIsHuge

Really? Hmm. I see him pairing better with Petry on a makeshift top pairing. I wouldn't be opposed to trying him with Schultz, but I think that leaves us putting too much stock in Marincin maintaining his high level of play into next season. I also feel that Schultz pairs better with a real stay-at-home guy. That having been said, I guess we've never gotten to see how he plays with another offensively skilled puck mover either and maybe pairing him with one will bare similar results to what we've seen with Petry and Marincin.

WARNING: I MENTION OMARK IN THIS POST. IGNORE IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ IT!!!

This is the last time I'll mention him unprovoked like this, but an interesting stat I found on Omark's time in Buffalo is that only 23% of his zone starts were in the offensive zone. To put that into perspective, he got fewer off. zone starts than Boyd Gordon.
- MaximumBone

I'm going to believe this to be not the last time you mention this.

I know. But what the hell. Calgary makes the playoffs before the Oilers do at this point.
- therealagent

Giordano, Brodie, Wideman, Russell. That's a functional top 4. EDM's is not.

Which is why our point was that EDM's priority far and away is shoring up the D…not trading for more offence